The Govt v The Law

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  1. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    Putting aside the RBS pension issue and Sir Fred (there is already a thread on that) I'm sitting here quite dumbfounded having just watched the Harriet Harman QC MP interview from yesterday, did I hear right? Did she actually say that between her and our illustrious leader they intend to change the law to meet agreement of the court of public opinion?

    I always believed The Law was about truth and justic rather than popularist drivel or am I just being old fashioned in this view? Does this mean that whenever there is an outcry about any event which the Daily Wail crowd latch onto we will have new more "just" laws? or is this simply utter bollox spouted by another inadequate wishing to appeal to public opinion in the hope of another term in office?

    Or more sinisterly; is this the beginnings of a socialist dictatorship where the law is adjusted to fit the will of the state rather than suiting the purpose of justice? Could they change the Law to effect anyone's pension retrospectively do you think?
     
  2. Something about setting your course to suit the direction of the wind????

    Typical politicians! Must be an election in the offing if they are courting public opinion and changing / flouting the law just to gain votes!
     
  3. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    It's hypocrisy of the highest order. They are all a bunch of thieving cnuts trying to divert attention from the fact that they are the root cause of the problem.

    Unfortunately it's a trait all to common with politicians, read this quote:

    " The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" That was written by some Roman bloke called Tacitus.

    When will the UK be rid of such loathsome fcukwits like harperson, brown and mandleson?
     
  4. Time for a change methinks.

    By all accounts the Government sanctioned the pension payout so they must realise that people aren'y going to buy their latest drivel!!
     
  5. Whether we like it or not all governments do this, and I suspect always will. In this case I suspect it will prove to be a double edged sword if they go ahead. Whilst Dave and his chums may well be quite happy to see Fred the Shred's pension cut they will equally want to see Gordon and his chums squirm. Thus the reasons why the new law is needed will be exercised well in the debate I am sure and the Brown government will collect even more tarnish and become even more unelectable. Then of course if the law is passed I am sure that Fred the Shred will requiere a judicial review where once again Gordon and his chums dirty knickers will be displayed once again.

    All in all this little publicity scam could cost labour dear. My biggest fear is that the twat that is my MP will make such a hash of things that Dave and mates will get such a stonking big majority that we will simply swop one bunch of arroganr ******* for another bunch or arrogant *******.
     
  6. Both the Labour party and the Conservative party have in the past proved to be less than adequate.
    The Lib Dem's are a pantomime party.
    Though I loathe the National Front party I would like to see them win a handful of seats if only to give a wake up call to the other parties.
     
  7. Perhaps if they were all given the exact number of seats each and were forced to have a coalition it would restore the balance and they actually listened to what the people actually wanted?

    But I have to agree that none of them should be trusted with a sharpened pencil let alone trusted to run the country!
     
  8. You have to be aware that Politicians, just like Criminals, will usually say what they think you want to hear to dig themselves out of a hole.
    As Sir Alan would say. "Not a bloody clue". :?
     
  9. Taking your second point first, that may well be true, but who else is there, you wouldn't want the civil serpents completely in charge would you?

    On the first point I would rather see the number of seats reflecting their support in the country, as this make the game more interesting. An interesting observation having had a minority government up here for a year or so despite there having been quite a few opportunities for opposition parties to bring down the government they have always pulled out before the vinegar strokes, because they see the voters quite like the way minority government works and are likely to slam any opposition party that bllnks in any susequent election
     
  10. I agree that the two major parties should be sent a huge wake up call by the British public: but what sort of message would the election of National Front candidates send? That the public really want to see the sort of policies espoused by the NF adopted by an electable party? For those that truly loathe the National Front then the Lib Dems would seem to provide an exact antithesis, maybe the election of a party that has always been seen as unelectable would be a true wake up call and shake the other two parties from their smug complacency.
     
  11. <Thieving Liebour Mode ON>

    Never mind all our snouts in the trough to the tune of £116,000 a year per Home Secretary! Look at that nasty banker over there!

    <Thieving Liebour Mode OFF>
     
  12. [quote="Maxi_77

    Taking your second point first, that may well be true, but who else is there, you wouldn't want the civil serpents completely in charge would you?

    On the first point I would rather see the number of seats reflecting their support in the country, as this make the game more interesting. An interesting observation having had a minority government up here for a year or so despite there having been quite a few opportunities for opposition parties to bring down the government they have always pulled out before the vinegar strokes, because they see the voters quite like the way minority government works and are likely to slam any opposition party that bllnks in any susequent election[/quote]

    Ahh Yes! Civil Serpants! Does beg the question - are the politicians purely the mouthpiece for the whitehall manderins - so does it matter what is actually "in power" or does the PM of the day actually direct the manderins direction???

    The trouble with the electorial system is at present it is only a two horse race. As Slim says - both the Tories and Labour have both shown that they are inadequate - but there is no real alternative at present. The trouble is (IMHO) that we go from Labour "spend spend spend" policies until the mountain of debt becomes unacceptable and they drop the country into "depression" (for want of a better word) then the Tories come along and have to sort out the mess - but after x years the country gets fed up of the stringent line the Tories have had to take to get the country back on its feet and next election back come Labour ... and round we go again!

    Lib Dems have no track record since the war ... and their policies take "tree hugging" to the extreme. I have no problem with being eco-friendly and "green" and they have some good ideas BUT most are probably unworkable.

    So until we find a suitable alternative I can see no break in the cycle.
     
  13. It's something I have been thinking about. Who the fook do I vote for? I have to vote so I can have my moan about it after. If you don't vote then you really shouldn't have a moan .

    But who to vote for? Neither of the two front runners are worth voting for. The other parties aren't going to get into power so no point in voting them anyways
     
  14. I believe the message sent would be:
    1.Tighten up the immigration laws
    2. UK residents (no matter what colour) to be given precedence over immigrants either legal or illegal
    3. Social security overhauled.
     
  15. Exactly my point, in Scotland we have a system of proportional representation which considering the gerneral levels of support for any party makes it virtually impossible to have any party with an absolute majority. The first couple of runs we had a coalition, but we have now moved on to a minority government which so far has had little problem in staying in power though they do have to modify their policies to adapt to the voting realities.

    Slims option of voting BNP is foolish on two counts, there is always the danger of the german solution but more likely Dave or Gordon will just legislate against the posibility, so no change in the way we are governed and less democracy as well Lose lose in my book.

    The most scary result I can see from Goordons cock up is that Dave will get such a stonking majority his lot will fall straight into arrogant pollie mode and forget all about their long spell out of power. Power corrupts and No 10 with a big majority corrupts absolutely.
     
  16. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    Yet when a certain Minister redefins here principal residence to maximise benefits the cry of "its within the rules" is promptly heard. Redfining ruiles to remove one person's advantage while hiding behind rules when they themselves are advantaged is hypocrisy of the highest order.
     
  17. But the only party in England that are proposing Proportional Representation are the Lib Dem "Tree Huggers" because that is the only way they would get their foot in the door! So until we get a real workable alternative we are going to be stuck with the Tory / Labour see-saw!
     
  18. If there was a court of public opinion then Brown would more than likely have been out on his ear a long time ago, we'd have reintroduced hanging, especially for kiddie fiddlers, Abu Qatada (and others like him) would have been deported immediately, drug dealers would be banged up for life etc etc.

    The very fact that Harriet Harman has come out with this proves that this government is totally on the back foot and is grasping at straws in order to try to regain any public confidence. They've got no chance.
     
  19. Of course they will get rid of them, you only need wait. Wait for another bunch of fcukwits who learned their trade under the present regime to take over :lol:
    Let's face it how did this little buch of charmers learn the tricks!
     
  20. Going back to her and the rent scandal, I presume that her sister will be declaring her earnings from the rent for tax purposes. :wink:
     

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