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The future of Gibraltar

Chris P

War Hero
Have to agree with you. It was a great run 'back then', but that was probably because it was the first or last of a trip. I was lucky in that I went there on several ships and boats and also on Pusser and Combined Service diving expeds. Also, when the border was closed, it was much better IMHO. Now, it is really a tourist trap by day, though maybe not this year as there will be no cruise liners coming in. Prices in the pubs on Main St is a real rip off, especially if you know that the retail price for a litre of Woods is around a fiver...... My leader loves the place - I love the cheap prices. We go a few times a year normally and can easily make up the fuel and accommodation costs by the savings made on shopping for booze and in Morrison's.
Have to agree with you 'Back then', my first ever run ashore with the mob in 64, then a few inbetween before demob, but can't comment on after early 70's.
 
Keep Gib at all costs, not just because I love the place but because the good folk of Gib voted to stay as they are

I don’t wish ill of the Catalans but hopefully the Spanish will have more to deal with at the top of their country than our rock at the bottom of it
hmm very strange and controversial
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
hmm very strange and controversial
Why so? What paper do you work for? Read the history of Gibraltar.

Anyway, where I live the folk couldn't give a sh1t about Gib or Catalunia. The Catalans are on a whipped up frenzy similar to that in Scotland. Even if they (Scotland and Catalunia)'won', it would be a very short lived and shallow victory, as the EU for one doesn't want them.

As I've mentioned before, when discussing Gib the Spanish VERY conveniently 'forget' to mention their occupied enclaves in Morocco - Cueta and Melilla and their military base just off the coast - Las Islas Perejil.
 
Spanish warship triggers alert off Gibraltar
<<...A Spanish navy vessel was a mile inside Gibraltar's territorial waters, where it remained 'for 45 minutes or so'

ByDanielle Sheridan, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT31 July 2020 • 9:05pm

Lord Admiral Alan West made his comments after Gibraltar Squadron’s HMS Pursuer was forced to shadow the Spanish Navy Ship in Gibraltar Waters

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The former first sea lord has accused Spain of displaying “egregious” behaviour by sailing warships in Gibraltar waters in response to the UK’s recent imposition of quarantine on the country.
Lord Admiral Alan West made his comments after Gibraltar Squadron’s HMS Pursuer was forced to shadow the Spanish Navy Ship Serviola P-71 in Gibraltar Waters on Tuesday.
The Daily Telegraph understands that the 1,200-tonne Spanish navy vessel was a mile inside Gibraltar's territorial waters, where it remained “for 45 minutes or so”, before it was escorted out by a vessel dispatched by the Royal Navy.
Lord West said that the timings all fit in "rather neatly" as the interception came days after the UK Government announced that it would impose a two week quarantine on anyone returning from a Spanish holiday, which Pedro Sánchez, the Prime Minister of Spain, lambasted as “unjust”...>>



Ex 1SL is still grabbing the headlines!!

I wonder - Is he after his old job back? Or just after a DF jolly to Gib to "sort em out"

Some sort of coincidence that the DT drags a Phot from the files where Team HM & ex 1SL were previously at HMS VICTORY, the very focus of today's #50 BlackTotsMatter commemorations and which once lead and carried out a rather successful op at nearby Cadiz.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
He's a tad out of touch - it is a virtually daily occurrence. Spanish 'warship' bimbles into Gib territorial waters, RN RIB or patrol boat rushes out and chases it away.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
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Biker Buster

Lantern Swinger
I cant see BoJo cripping an entire section of the UK economy for a non.-issue.
WTF say do the septics have anyway.

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Militantmonk

Midshipman
It's classic playground politics.
The Spanish are telling us "give me the toy back" and our government tells them to do one.

If it were a person it would probably say something like this;

"Listen Spain you little bugger, you can dance around here flexing your muscles but it won't do you any good, I've got more interesting people to fight than you and it wouldn't really be much of a challenge now would it, now get back to ballet practice before you get your dress dirty."

They neither have the means nor the inclination, it's all just hot air and chest puffing to try and make a few extra pesetas.
 

SeaBiscuit

Badgeman
If Spain wanted to, it could invade, and keep Gibraltar. (see this basic but absolutely correct scenario-)



The question is, WOULD Spain invade Gibraltar?

Simply, no.

Firstly, now that we are no longer in the EU, the Council of Europe would not allow Spain to take military action against sovereign British territory, which would provoke a disastrous economic nightmare for the EU. It would result in a pretty instantaneous halt to EU economic activity and France, as the largest military power, wouldn't have it. Secondly, while the UK would lose Gib in a territorial war, Spain would be crippled by overwhelming air power and before it got really serious the US would simply tell both parties to stand down- war in Europe de-focuses assets from the Eastern "soft wall" and would open the door to a move into Latvia and Estonia by Russia. Russia- the baddies, remember?

Spain has nothing to gain by any move to take Gib by force, and isn't so stupid as to try. The prospect of war in the narrow channel into the med is a global no-no, and even China would start pulling strings. So yes- Spain could capture and keep Gib, but wouldn't, because, well, geopolitics.

You can check this with the Royal Marines, but Spain has the advantage of geographical proximity and re-supply, plus air defence, so no amphibious assault counter-attack..so only if we sent six hard-assed hairy-chested mental Paras with outstanding moustaches into Madrid by HALO to kill all the Spanish MilCom, dressed as pantomime dames (cos, well, the Paras), it's a moot point.

Besides- the fat Magaluf shit-tat lads and no-shit Glasgow girls would fly in by Easyjet and batter the Guardia Civil in the kebab shops until they gave up. And that's before the Scousers and Geordies get there, kicking off about who's running the doors on the clubs. And when the Cockneys realise that Sandra can't top up her tan in "fackin Spayn", while Debbie "stays over", well, that's that. The boyos from Wales, held in reserve at Cardiff airport, will invade Cheltenham in frustration and set fire to 5G masts.

(hiding in their sheds, meanwhile, will be the "Britain First" gobshites who think that the Navy should sink little boats full of desperate families because "she" won't let them see the kids.. Waving Union flags because the TA told them to f*ck off).


And anyway- this is important- why do they not have carpets? The Spanish? Tiles- everywhere. Savages.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Quote: And anyway- this is important- why do they not have carpets? The Spanish? Tiles- everywhere. Savages.

Tiles / marble.
Easy to keep clean and nothing can live in them, like for example flea eggs.
Cool in summer, warm(ish) in winter.
Doesn't smell if a glass of beer is spilt.
Doesn't smell if a cat, dog or baby has an accident.
Cheap as chips to buy.

Bad: anything that falls on them comes off second best! Glasses, Seiko watch and Le Crueset pan...... the pan did however leave a mark!

PS we have alfombras too.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
If Spain wanted to, it could invade, and keep Gibraltar. (see this basic but absolutely correct scenario-)



The question is, WOULD Spain invade Gibraltar?

Simply, no.

Firstly, now that we are no longer in the EU, the Council of Europe would not allow Spain to take military action against sovereign British territory, which would provoke a disastrous economic nightmare for the EU. It would result in a pretty instantaneous halt to EU economic activity and France, as the largest military power, wouldn't have it. Secondly, while the UK would lose Gib in a territorial war, Spain would be crippled by overwhelming air power and before it got really serious the US would simply tell both parties to stand down- war in Europe de-focuses assets from the Eastern "soft wall" and would open the door to a move into Latvia and Estonia by Russia. Russia- the baddies, remember?

Spain has nothing to gain by any move to take Gib by force, and isn't so stupid as to try. The prospect of war in the narrow channel into the med is a global no-no, and even China would start pulling strings. So yes- Spain could capture and keep Gib, but wouldn't, because, well, geopolitics.

You can check this with the Royal Marines, but Spain has the advantage of geographical proximity and re-supply, plus air defence, so no amphibious assault counter-attack..so only if we sent six hard-assed hairy-chested mental Paras with outstanding moustaches into Madrid by HALO to kill all the Spanish MilCom, dressed as pantomime dames (cos, well, the Paras), it's a moot point.

Besides- the fat Magaluf shit-tat lads and no-shit Glasgow girls would fly in by Easyjet and batter the Guardia Civil in the kebab shops until they gave up. And that's before the Scousers and Geordies get there, kicking off about who's running the doors on the clubs. And when the Cockneys realise that Sandra can't top up her tan in "fackin Spayn", while Debbie "stays over", well, that's that. The boyos from Wales, held in reserve at Cardiff airport, will invade Cheltenham in frustration and set fire to 5G masts.

(hiding in their sheds, meanwhile, will be the "Britain First" gobshites who think that the Navy should sink little boats full of desperate families because "she" won't let them see the kids.. Waving Union flags because the TA told them to f*ck off).


And anyway- this is important- why do they not have carpets? The Spanish? Tiles- everywhere. Savages.

Well, what an interesting (not) little Russian video! I will not expose the things that even I spotted he'd omitted from his invasion plan and any response.

It fails to take into consideration two fairly large considerations:
The average Spaniard couldn't give a shit about Gibraltar (or even the problems with Catalunia)
Over 99% of the Gibraltarians voted to stay 'British'. Apart from the Gibraltar Defence Force, I'm pretty sure all of the population that could, would resist any invasion attempt. The only thing they like about the Spanish is their cash.

Then there is the 666th Loamshire Foot and Mouth Regiment, strategically scattered throughout Spain - not just beer swilling Kevins and Traceys on holiday, but many hundreds of ex UK servicemen - possibly not of fighting age, but you know what they say - Age and treachery will always overcome youth and fitness! (I had to check my own signature block to get that correct!) I'm sure that a lot of patriotic holiday makers would also roll up to help with disobedience on the Spanish side - especially on the Costa del Sol - for the chance of a good (legal) ruck!

They have only recently discovered some hidden tunnels inside the Rock that were dug for 'stay behind' teams during the last unpleasantness. There are many, many miles of tunnels and many, many people who know them inside out. Indeed, our special people use them for training even now. Allegedly.

It is only a few gobshite Spanish MPs, who when things get a bit iffy at home, start banging the Gib drum to divert attention.
 

SeaBiscuit

Badgeman
Well, what an interesting (not) little Russian video! I will not expose the things that even I spotted he'd omitted from his invasion plan and any response.

It fails to take into consideration two fairly large considerations:
The average Spaniard couldn't give a shit about Gibraltar (or even the problems with Catalunia)
Over 99% of the Gibraltarians voted to stay 'British'. Apart from the Gibraltar Defence Force, I'm pretty sure all of the population that could, would resist any invasion attempt. The only thing they like about the Spanish is their cash.

Then there is the 666th Loamshire Foot and Mouth Regiment, strategically scattered throughout Spain - not just beer swilling Kevins and Traceys on holiday, but many hundreds of ex UK servicemen - possibly not of fighting age, but you know what they say - Age and treachery will always overcome youth and fitness! (I had to check my own signature block to get that correct!) I'm sure that a lot of patriotic holiday makers would also roll up to help with disobedience on the Spanish side - especially on the Costa del Sol - for the chance of a good (legal) ruck!

They have only recently discovered some hidden tunnels inside the Rock that were dug for 'stay behind' teams during the last unpleasantness. There are many, many miles of tunnels and many, many people who know them inside out. Indeed, our special people use them for training even now. Allegedly.

It is only a few gobshite Spanish MPs, who when things get a bit iffy at home, start banging the Gib drum to divert attention.
Actually the youtube video is done by a well respected military analyst. With a Russian accent, but that does not detract from his credibility. I can also tell you that not a single war-game played at DSTL or Northwood has ever resulted in anything less than a swift Spanish military occupation, from which they cannot be removed.

The idea that the civilian, unarmed, and terrified population would "resist" 10,000 Spanish Army professionals is a fiction.

Imagine another scenario- imagine Spain owned Anglesey. And we wanted it back. How do you think that would play out?
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Actually the youtube video is done by a well respected military analyst. With a Russian accent, but that does not detract from his credibility. I can also tell you that not a single war-game played at DSTL or Northwood has ever resulted in anything less than a swift Spanish military occupation, from which they cannot be removed.

A) The idea that the civilian, unarmed, and terrified population would "resist" 10,000 Spanish Army professionals is a fiction.

B) Imagine another scenario- imagine Spain owned Anglesey. And we wanted it back. How do you think that would play out?
A) There was an element of tongue in cheek regarding the 666th Loamshires........ However, if you truly think there would not be a civil disobedience response from the locals, then you are deluded!

B) About the same as the Spanish responses to Morocco regarding Cueta, Melilla and to a lesser extent, Las Islas Perejil ah - but THAT situation is different to Gib......... say the Spanish.

I don't doubt for one minute that the Spanish could 'take' the Rock in a few hours. But it would have to be done before 1400 so they can get their heads down afterwards!
 
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