The Dilnot Report

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  1. Economist Andrew Dilnot has published his government commissioned report into funding for elderly care. The report sets out a number of proposals for changing the current care system, including a £35,000 cap on individual liability for care costs. Dilnot has defended his plans for changes to the way care is funded, telling critics that the changes would cost around £1.7bn per year, one four-hundreth of total public spending. He also suggested that tax could be increased to help fund the changes. Among the reforms are plans to raise the means-test threshold to £100,000 from £23,250 and to ensure that anyone entering adulthood with a severe disability should be eligible for free support without a means test. Dilnot had previously said that he wanted to end the current dilemma faced by many elderly people of selling their home to fund care bills. However, critics claim the plans are too expensive and may be kicked into the political long-grass, after health secretary Andrew Lansley said it would be unfair for people to pay more tax in order to fund the older generation.

    I do hope that something positive comes from this report. I have long considered it an injustice that if you were not born with a silver spoon in your mouth yet had worked hard all your working life to purchase your own property that you should not be forced to sell your children’s inheritance in order to pay for care. If you have no bricks and mortar assets for whatever reasons, which could be you were not in a job that paid well enough to fund a mortgage or you were feckless the state will fund your care needs until death. As it stands at present if I knew that dementia was setting in I would reach for a bottle of vodka and the paracetamol, as there is no way that my children will be deprived of what I consider to be rightly theirs.
  2. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Hmm, The Guardian said the same thing, word for word, here:

    Dilnot report proposes changes to elderly care | Housing network | Guardian Professional

    Please reference your sources, Fink, or people might begin to mistrust the pearls of wisdom that pour forth from your Socialist lips... :roll:
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  3. SPB, welcome back, I would have thought that a man of your intelligence would have figured out that the lower section in blue are my thoughts on the matter and the above in black is extracted from today's news?
  4. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    I never assume anything these days, Fink. Least of all what you say... :shock: :wink:

  5. Ignore him Finx...........Vodkas on it's way...........Smirnoff OK ?........or does the dementia numb your senses to the extent that you couldn't give a monkey's :confused:
  6. Having seen senile dementia at its worst I would not wish it on my worst enemy, it is a terrible way to end one’s life, not knowing your family, doubly incontinent, unable to feed yourself etc.

    Actually I don't like vodka but it goes down easy.
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  7. I agree Finx.......Should I, like yourself, find myself in that position, I would catch an earlier flight !
  8. My mothers fast tracking down the dementia path but one part of your statement concerns me Finks

    which could be you were not in a job that paid well enough to fund a mortgage or you were feckless the state will fund your care needs until death.

    If your feckless why should the state bale you out when those that have worked and saved be treated the same. You make your bed and you lie in it IMHO.
  9. That's the current state of affairs but to be fair what else could a civilised society do, much as it may stick in your craw?
  10. Fair point, still wrong in my eyes. I think the socialist "cradle to the grave" post war ideology was severly flawed, there's no incentive for the terminally idle.
  11. The terminal idle are the people who cause the welfare state to fall into disrepute, and then genuine cases of hardship are oft times thrown into the same basket.
    It is these people who have my sincere sympathy.
  12. Quite so Rummers, which is why it's flawed, I don't think we'll see any poly's with the balls to change the system radically though.

    And I don't have any answers that would be acceptable either.

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  13. A classic example of that is sufferers of Alzheimers disease, like all other diseases any care that you require, including residential or nursing care should be state funded but it isn't for those with savings over £23, 250.00 or if you own bricks and mortar.
  14. Yet another reason for the worthless to stay on benefits sponging off the state/decent taxpayers. why bother to apply yourself and pay your own way when our flawed welfare system will make it worth your while to keep milking the welfare gravy train.
  15. So I will pose a question. We are very quickly becoming a nation of renters, as opposed to Buyers.
    So when the present renters reach the age of need in the future, if not from the state where are the funds coming from.
    And statistics are now showing that rental is dearer than buying, so there are no disposables in income to make provision.
    Are they spongers then?
  16. Perhaps the time has come for our great nation to change the ethos/attitude of the population/employers/buisness that paying your way is the way ahead, and that the welfare system is only a safety net for those that really can't as opposed to those that won't.
  17. Perhaps if employers had not developed a culture of stealing pension funds more people would be attracted to joining them.
    And of course the old chestnut of overseas aid. Whilst having every sympathy for certain countries needs, I cannot be convinced that all aid is directed in the right direction and for the right reason.
    I wonder in years to come when we become the third world banana republic/monarchy we are fast heading to wards, who will send us aid.
  18. So are we saying that someone worked all their life paid there dues and bought a house but shouldn't have to sell that house to fund care in old age?

    What about the kids that inherit that house, they never worked hard to pay for it, so should they also not have to fund their care by selling that house that they got for nothing?

  19. I think you may have missed the point that there is an injustice here, as you have already paid into the pot during your working life in the form of tax and NI and that goes towards funding care for those who for whatever reason have contributed nothing. Once again it is those in the middle who are getting shafted.
  20. .
    And those are the definitive words:

    "that goes towards funding care "

    It does not pay for it, so where is the extra money to come from, higher taxes/NI while you are working ??

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