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The Chavs Have Arrived.

sgtpepperband said:
Apologies for the thread drift but for the benefit of our resident armchair socialist:

finknottle said:

Please read your previous:

finknottle said:
...including the old fella has seen service in WW11...

Last time I checked we had WWs 1 and 2. I was just curious what happened to WWs 3 to 11...

"D'ya hear there. No laughing, joking or smirking throughout the Ship, 2 Deck and below - disembarking humour!"

8O :thumright:

I think they happened whilst you were out on foot patrol. :thumright:
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
FN: It's a bite I don't care, but...

'11' is a number between ten and twelve.

'II' is Roman numerals for two.

Capice? :? :roll:
 

Karma

War Hero
Maxi_77 said:
....are related to the deals within the Labour Party that were done particualrly in the time of H Wilson to create a moderately stable labour government...

Which illustrates one of the most significant weaknesses of democracy.

.... and the socialist entryism in local government which created the greatsink council estates where the Chavs were born

I'd agree that many of the social engineering decisions made around the creation of these estates are a contributor. We are progressing steadily into a culture where risk aversion appears to be the norm, consequently personal responsibility is anathema. Decision making is driven by ill-informed emotional appeal, rather than reason and evidence, and democracy has gone down the tubes with the inevitable emergence of a professional political class whose image is more important than the substance of their argument.

The chav culture, at least as portrayed by the popular media, is just one part of that.
 

BuntingBob

Midshipman
Problem? Up t'chimneys? You never saw 'em hanging about on the streets.
I met some o'me best friends up t'chimneys. Pity the courts don't force some of these miscreants to do a bit of proper labour. I really need someone to do my chimney, soot sweet.
 
Karma said:
Maxi_77 said:
....are related to the deals within the Labour Party that were done particualrly in the time of H Wilson to create a moderately stable labour government...

Which illustrates one of the most significant weaknesses of democracy.

.... and the socialist entryism in local government which created the greatsink council estates where the Chavs were born

I'd agree that many of the social engineering decisions made around the creation of these estates are a contributor. We are progressing steadily into a culture where risk aversion appears to be the norm, consequently personal responsibility is anathema. Decision making is driven by ill-informed emotional appeal, rather than reason and evidence, and democracy has gone down the tubes with the inevitable emergence of a professional political class whose image is more important than the substance of their argument.

The chav culture, at least as portrayed by the popular media, is just one part of that.

I am pretty sure it was Churchill who said democracy was a pretty ooor way to run a country until you looked at the alternatives.

I am not really sure if there was ever a 'golden age' of democracy in the UK. Most governments since Edward the Confessor (who seems to have been some what altruistic in his government) have been based to a greater or smaller extent on the personal interests of those comprising the ruling party, though there have been the odd fortunate times when these interests have matched the interests of the nation.
 

Karma

War Hero
Maxi_77 said:
I am pretty sure it was Churchill who said democracy was a pretty ooor way to run a country until you looked at the alternatives.

Least worst :)

He also said that the best argument against democracy was a five minute conversation with the average voter.
 

w.anchor

War Hero
A little chave seen I witnessed some years ago in a Indian restaurant before the smoking ban.
The chaveter a sweet little thing of about 14 stone and 5 foot 3".Was on her first course of onion barge. Clenched in her right hand was a fork and a fag in the left hand a plastic salad cream bottle She was multi tasking squirting salad cream on the barge, smoking and throughing at the same time.Call me a snob if you wish. But salad cream with a onion barge, wot ever next.
 
Crabman said:
Karma said:
Maxi_77 said:
I am pretty sure it was Churchill who said democracy was a pretty ooor way to run a country until you looked at the alternatives.

Least worst :).

That is definately a self contradiction.

But Churchill was in many ways contradictory, he had very 'social' views but was equally 'conservative' in many areas too. For example up till the 26 General strike he supported the miners claim and did try to persuade the mine owners to settle, but once the strike started he was very strong in defeating it.
 
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