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The Chavs Have Arrived.

finknottle

Banned
I am also in the fortunate situation of living on a select development of fewer than 50 homes; this means that there is no social housing element. I mean do you really want to live next to some chavvy slapper wolverine with a handful of kids all with different fathers knowing that you are supporting them through benefits? Snob in that respect, too firkin right I am. I also feel sorry for the decent folk who are forced to live alongside the feral scum element.
 

F106

Lantern Swinger
they are actually infiltrating everywhere now as a lot of em are theives and they get into the nicer areas with their ill gotten gains bastards
 
finknottle said:
I am also in the fortunate situation of living on a select development of fewer than 50 homes; this means that there is no social housing element. I mean do you really want to live next to some chavvy slapper wolverine with a handful of kids all with different fathers knowing that you are supporting them through benefits? Snob in that respect, too firkin right I am. I also feel sorry for the decent folk who are forced to live alongside the feral scum element.

Until very r4ecently I did live in one of the estates you turn your nose up at. The vast majority of the inmates were very hnest decent hardworking people, whom you wish to tar with the scrounger brush. Yes there were scroungers dole fiddlers and petty criminals as well, but on the other hand how many living in nice middle class enclaves are tax fiddlers, embezlers, kiddy fiddlers etc. Just because they look and sound nice does not mean they are nice, just as much as those who look rough can be as honest and decent as you like.

I am rather glad I do not live in Finkies little select enclave, I believe I have better taste, and a better view of my fellow man
 
Chavs? blimey! At the moment we are in the middle of Ascot, just about the biggest chav event in the annual chav calender.
You don't have to come from a 'sink' estate to be among that number.
 

slim

War Hero
Maxi_77 said:
finknottle said:
I am also in the fortunate situation of living on a select development of fewer than 50 homes; this means that there is no social housing element. I mean do you really want to live next to some chavvy slapper wolverine with a handful of kids all with different fathers knowing that you are supporting them through benefits? Snob in that respect, too firkin right I am. I also feel sorry for the decent folk who are forced to live alongside the feral scum element.

Until very r4ecently I did live in one of the estates you turn your nose up at. The vast majority of the inmates were very hnest decent hardworking people, whom you wish to tar with the scrounger brush. Yes there were scroungers dole fiddlers and petty criminals as well, but on the other hand how many living in nice middle class enclaves are tax fiddlers, embezlers, kiddy fiddlers etc. Just because they look and sound nice does not mean they are nice, just as much as those who look rough can be as honest and decent as you like.

I am rather glad I do not live in Finkies little select enclave, I believe I have better taste, and a better view of my fellow man

Maxi
If you read Finks posting you will find that he has no problems with the majority of those who live on council estates, in fact sympathises with them having to live with some of the scum the council decide will live there.
No council ever built a sink estate. They built quality housing, frequently better than the private sector built. In the 60s and 70s there were no sink estates. So what happened? it is not the honest but rough or poorly spoken person that has causes an estate to become a sink estate, it's the scum who do not work, spend all the benefits on drugs and drink instead of using some of it to take care of the kids. These same people are normally the same ones who's kids are responsible for the majority of car crime. When did you last see a police chase culminating on a private housing estate?
What has happened is a welfare state which gives excessive benefits such that it is not worth many working. Benefits should be subsistence level, not such that a life on benefits is preferable to working. These long term dossers have been given free money for so long that they do not appreciate the value of it.
 
slim said:
Maxi
If you read Finks posting you will find that he has no problems with the majority of those who live on council estates, in fact sympathises with them having to live with some of the scum the council decide will live there.
No council ever built a sink estate. They built quality housing, frequently better than the private sector built. In the 60s and 70s there were no sink estates. So what happened? it is not the honest but rough or poorly spoken person that has causes an estate to become a sink estate, it's the scum who do not work, spend all the benefits on drugs and drink instead of using some of it to take care of the kids. These same people are normally the same ones who's kids are responsible for the majority of car crime. When did you last see a police chase culminating on a private housing estate?
What has happened is a welfare state which gives excessive benefits such that it is not worth many working. Benefits should be subsistence level, not such that a life on benefits is preferable to working. These long term dossers have been given free money for so long that they do not appreciate the value of it.

Whilst dear Finky may well dress up his tirade as an attack on the scrounger and fiddler, if one looks at what he is really saying he just doenst like mixing with the lower classes who do not disport themselves to his higher standards, he is but a snob rather that an upholder of social justice whatever he claims his politics to be.
 

slim

War Hero
Maxi
We all have the choice of who we mix and socialise with. Now answer honestly do you mix and socialise with the local chavs? I would hazard a guess that the answer would be no. there would be a number of reasons for this and I'll try an educated guess on a few.

1 You are working and could not possibly spend the amount of time needed to bond in either the pub or the betting office

2. Your salary would not allow you the luxury of drinking the copious quantities of alcohol required.

3. You would find it impossible to lower your intellect to their level.

4. You probably do not like them as people.

I am not counting the 90% (50% in Merthyr Tydfill benefit capital of Wales) of decent hard working residents on these estates. I feel that the hard working tenant gets a raw deal, I have seen it locally. A friend of my wife's works for Morrisons, her husband also works. Both are hard working intelligent people. They live in local authority housing and pay rent of about £100 a week. The majority in their street are on benefits, most of them run cars, have a sky subscription, sport tattoos and smoke. now with both of these good people working why is it that they cannot afford any of these things? More needs to be done for the low paid hard working population of the UK and less for the scroungers.
 
slim said:
Maxi
We all have the choice of who we mix and socialise with. Now answer honestly do you mix and socialise with the local chavs? I would hazard a guess that the answer would be no. there would be a number of reasons for this and I'll try an educated guess on a few.

1 You are working and could not possibly spend the amount of time needed to bond in either the pub or the betting office

2. Your salary would not allow you the luxury of drinking the copious quantities of alcohol required.

3. You would find it impossible to lower your intellect to their level.

4. You probably do not like them as people.

I am not counting the 90% (50% in Merthyr Tydfill benefit capital of Wales) of decent hard working residents on these estates. I feel that the hard working tenant gets a raw deal, I have seen it locally. A friend of my wife's works for Morrisons, her husband also works. Both are hard working intelligent people. They live in local authority housing and pay rent of about £100 a week. The majority in their street are on benefits, most of them run cars, have a sky subscription, sport tattoos and smoke. now with both of these good people working why is it that they cannot afford any of these things? More needs to be done for the low paid hard working population of the UK and less for the scroungers.

Slim

It is simple for me, I judge people on what I see and hear, not on where they come from or live now. I judge them on their attitude to me and other people, and certainly try to give every one the benefit of the doubt.

I have made good freinds from all walks of life, from all backgrounds because I did not make predjudical judgements
 

finknottle

Banned
Then to top it off if you have worked hard all your life and own your property you could be forced to sell it in later life to pay for residential or nursing care. While the never worked or contributed anything riff raff scum of the country will get it all free, courtesy of the taxpayer.

Mrs F has a young lady from Slovakia working for her, she says that in her country and you are on benefit you are offered 3 jobs, if you do not take the last one offered all state supports stops, sounds very fair to me, soft daft bastards that we are here.
 

slim

War Hero
finknottle said:
Then to top it off if you have worked hard all your life and own your property you could be forced to sell it in later life to pay for residential or nursing care. While the never worked or contributed anything riff raff scum of the country will get it all free, courtesy of the taxpayer.

Mrs F has a young lady from Slovakia working for her, she says that in her country and you are on benefit you are offered 3 jobs, if you do not take the last one offered all state supports stops, sounds very fair to me, soft daft bastards that we are here.

Unfortunately Fink there are many of the chavs who are unemplyable. Perhaps in cases like this the government should employ them on a minimum wage basis to do menial tasks in the community. No work should equal no pay or benefit.
 

slim

War Hero
Maxi_77 said:
slim said:
Maxi
We all have the choice of who we mix and socialise with. Now answer honestly do you mix and socialise with the local chavs? I would hazard a guess that the answer would be no. there would be a number of reasons for this and I'll try an educated guess on a few.

1 You are working and could not possibly spend the amount of time needed to bond in either the pub or the betting office

2. Your salary would not allow you the luxury of drinking the copious quantities of alcohol required.

3. You would find it impossible to lower your intellect to their level.

4. You probably do not like them as people.

I am not counting the 90% (50% in Merthyr Tydfill benefit capital of Wales) of decent hard working residents on these estates. I feel that the hard working tenant gets a raw deal, I have seen it locally. A friend of my wife's works for Morrisons, her husband also works. Both are hard working intelligent people. They live in local authority housing and pay rent of about £100 a week. The majority in their street are on benefits, most of them run cars, have a sky subscription, sport tattoos and smoke. now with both of these good people working why is it that they cannot afford any of these things? More needs to be done for the low paid hard working population of the UK and less for the scroungers.

Slim

It is simple for me, I judge people on what I see and hear, not on where they come from or live now. I judge them on their attitude to me and other people, and certainly try to give every one the benefit of the doubt.

I have made good freinds from all walks of life, from all backgrounds because I did not make predjudical judgements

Maxi
Completely agree with your sentiments, it's the person not their situation. However I still feel very strongly when those that are obviously milking the system get away with it.
 
slim said:
Maxi
Completely agree with your sentiments, it's the person not their situation. However I still feel very strongly when those that are obviously milking the system get away with it.

As you are well aware, I have as little time for those who sponge off the system as you do, but I do not and will not assume that some one who is unfortunate enough to have to live in one of these sink estates is by definition one of 'them', just as I would never assume all wafoos were gay.
 

finknottle

Banned
Agreed it can be dangerous to make assumptions, of course assuming a damage control state may be the exception.

As I may have mentioned earlier I was brought up on a council estate and the residents were the salt of the earth many of the men including the old fella has seen service in WW11. Times were hard but we were happy and safe growing up there, I often ask myself, ‘ why did it all go wrong’?
 

finknottle

Banned
I have just recieved a report on the subject of chavs that gives me even more cause for alarm.

Unfortunately matey, the Chav scum get everywhere!
If its any consolation, i have just been to Bulgaria, and the c...s have even made it to the former eastern block!


SPB, :?:
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Apologies for the thread drift but for the benefit of our resident armchair socialist:

finknottle said:

Please read your previous:

finknottle said:
...including the old fella has seen service in WW11...

Last time I checked we had WWs 1 and 2. I was just curious what happened to WWs 3 to 11...

"D'ya hear there. No laughing, joking or smirking throughout the Ship, 2 Deck and below - disembarking humour!"

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finknottle said:
Agreed it can be dangerous to make assumptions, of course assuming a damage control state may be the exception.

As I may have mentioned earlier I was brought up on a council estate and the residents were the salt of the earth many of the men including the old fella has seen service in WW11. Times were hard but we were happy and safe growing up there, I often ask myself, ‘ why did it all go wrong’?

Socialism and labour controlled councils is where it all went wrong
 

Karma

War Hero
Maxi_77 said:
finknottle said:
Agreed it can be dangerous to make assumptions, of course assuming a damage control state may be the exception.

As I may have mentioned earlier I was brought up on a council estate and the residents were the salt of the earth many of the men including the old fella has seen service in WW11. Times were hard but we were happy and safe growing up there, I often ask myself, ‘ why did it all go wrong’?

Socialism and labour controlled councils is where it all went wrong

I'd vote for democracy being the problem, it becomes self perpetuating as buying the votes means more state expenditure. Of course at the moment with both main parties being marginally different flavours of socialism light there is little opportunity for change to be introduced.
 
Karma said:
Maxi_77 said:
finknottle said:
Agreed it can be dangerous to make assumptions, of course assuming a damage control state may be the exception.

As I may have mentioned earlier I was brought up on a council estate and the residents were the salt of the earth many of the men including the old fella has seen service in WW11. Times were hard but we were happy and safe growing up there, I often ask myself, ‘ why did it all go wrong’?

Socialism and labour controlled councils is where it all went wrong

I'd vote for democracy being the problem, it becomes self perpetuating as buying the votes means more state expenditure. Of course at the moment with both main parties being marginally different flavours of socialism light there is little opportunity for change to be introduced.

We had democracy long before we had Chavs, most of the problems are related to the deals within the Labour Party that were done particualrly in the time of H Wilson to create a moderately stable labour government and the socialist entryism in local government which created the greatsink council estates where the Chavs were born
 

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