The Alternative Christmas Message and wot i fort of it

broadside

War Hero
finknottle said:
... For your future reference I am Scots not Scottish. :thumright:

Surely you are a Scotsman or a Scot of Scottish descent

Not sure how you (sing) can be Scots (pl) except where Scots is an abbreviation of Scottish.

Not desperately important as far as I am concerned and I am sure that you or someone else will come back with a chapter and verse version of Scottish grammatical idiosyncrasy that prove otherwise.

On a separate topic - can you let me know where in the world Socialism actually works! I would be very interested to know.
 

onions

GCM
Chalky. If you read your own postings, this speech obviously did what you say it was meant to do. And that was to PROVOKE. It certainly worked in your case! Did I watch either of them? NO, I didn't. My Granddaughter means more to than the pair of them.

Keep Striving
 

Chalky

Lantern Swinger
onions said:
Chalky. If you read your own postings, this speech obviously did what you say it was meant to do. And that was to PROVOKE. It certainly worked in your case! Did I watch either of them? NO, I didn't. My Granddaughter means more to than the pair of them.

Keep Striving

Items are supposed to provoke debate. The debate shouldn't be about freedom of speech; that is a given.

The debate should be about the debate itself. How does this contribute? Are we somehow better off because of this broadcast? Have we learned or benefited from it?

This is the issue at the core of what I'm asking. I personally got none of those things from it. I felt it was controversy for the sake of controversy, which is ultimately empty.
 

Bergen

ADC
Chalky said:
onions said:
Chalky. If you read your own postings, this speech obviously did what you say it was meant to do. And that was to PROVOKE. It certainly worked in your case! Did I watch either of them? NO, I didn't. My Granddaughter means more to than the pair of them.

Keep Striving

Items are supposed to provoke debate. The debate shouldn't be about freedom of speech; that is a given.

The debate should be about the debate itself. How does this contribute? Are we somehow better off because of this broadcast? Have we learned or benefited from it?

This is the issue at the core of what I'm asking. I personally got none of those things from it. I felt it was controversy for the sake of controversy, which is ultimately empty.


Freedom of speech is never a given and should never be taken for granted. England has been a Constitutional Monarchy since the Divine Right was stripped from King John at Runymede. Unfortunately we have no Constitution and our Monarch has no executive power even though she appoints the government. Bummer! It's a no-win situation for most of the country who continue to suffer the delusion that they live in a democracy.

The Christmas message from the Queen is her only speech of the year that is unscripted by Politicians - she could use it to reach out to her people but it is usually anodyne and only refers to problems facing the Nation in oblique ways. Her 2008 speech was particularly shallow but followed the standard script - stand in front of a johanna surrounded by photographs of the Junior Executives of the family firm ...... oops... sorry ... Princes and Princesses. Tell the audience that the economy could be a little better, quick reference to struggles in foreign lands without mentioning specifically that better men and women than the ones in the photographs behind her are dying because her government entered into an illegal war. Quick reference to Jesus of Nazareth, smile at the camera and back to the drawing-room in time to feed the corgis and a G&T.

Almadinijad's speech on the other hand was a lot more thoughtful and a lot cleverer despite the fact that it was a given that he would be panned as the madman from Teheran who wants to end Israel. First paragraph he refers to all Abrahamic faiths which obviously includes the Jewish faith.

In the Name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful.

Upon the anniversary of the birth of Jesus, Son of Mary, the Word of God, the Messenger of mercy, I would like to congratulate the followers of Abrahamic faiths, especially the followers of Jesus Christ, and the people of Britain.

The Almighty created the universe for human beings and human beings for Himself.

He created every human being with the ability to reach the heights of perfection.

He called on man to make every effort to live a good life in this world and to work to achieve his everlasting life.

On this difficult and challenging journey of man from dust to the divine, He did not leave humanity to its own devices. He chose from those He created the most excellent as His Prophets to guide humanity.

All Prophets called for the worship of God, for love and brotherhood, for the establishment of justice and for love in human society.

Jesus, the Son of Mary, is the standard-bearer of justice, of love for our fellow human beings, of the fight against tyranny, discrimination and injustice.

All the problems that have bedevilled humanity throughout the ages came about because humanity followed an evil path and disregarded the message of the Prophets.

Now as human society faces a myriad of problems and a succession of complex crises, the root causes can be found in humanity's rejection of that message, in particular the indifference of some governments and powers towards the teachings of the divine Prophets, especially those of Jesus Christ.

The crises in society, the family, morality, politics, security and the economy which have made life hard for humanity and continue to put great pressure on all nations have come about because the Prophets have been forgotten, the Almighty has been forgotten and some leaders are estranged from God.

If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would stand with the people in opposition to bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers.

If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over.

If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would fight against the tyrannical policies of prevailing global economic and political systems, as He did in His lifetime.

The solution to today's problems is a return to the call of the divine Prophets.

The solution to these crises is to follow the Prophets - they were sent by the Almighty for the good of humanity.

Today, the general will of nations is calling for fundamental change. This is now taking place.

Demands for change, demands for transformation, demands for a return to human values are fast becoming the foremost demands of the nations of the world.

The response to these demands must be real and true. The prerequisite to this change is a change in goals, intentions and directions.

If tyrannical goals are repackaged in an attractive and deceptive package and imposed on nations again, the people, awakened, will stand up against them.

Fortunately, today, as crises and despair multiply, a wave of hope is gathering momentum. Hope for a brighter future and hope for the establishment of justice, hope for real peace, hope for finding virtuous and pious rulers who love the people and want to serve them - and this is what the Almighty has promised.

We believe Jesus Christ will return, together with one of the children of the revered Messenger of Islam and will lead the world to love, brotherhood and justice.

The responsibility of all followers of Christ and Abrahamic faiths is to prepare the way for the fulfilment of this divine promise and the arrival of that joyful, shining and wonderful age.

I hope that the collective will of nations will unite in the not too distant future and with the grace of the Almighty Lord, that shining age will come to rule the earth.

Once again, I congratulate one and all on the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ. I pray for the New Year to be a year of happiness, prosperity, peace and brotherhood for humanity. I wish you every success and happiness.


I wrote to Channel 4 congratulating them on their choice for the Alternate Christmas Message and suggested that perhaps Missus Windsor might address the Iranians next year. They would be much impressed with the Grand Piano and the platitudes would make as much sense to them as they do to the average Brit.

Happy Trails.

RM :thumright:
 

Oil_Slick

War Hero
I thought old Ahmadinnerjackets message was quite decent…

… certainly more insightful and profound than that guff our Dear Leader spouts
 

Extras

Badgeman
Having seen it once and now read it twice, I have to say that it's growing on me! At first (and probably naively) I thought that his speech would be controversy for the hell of it. I've changed my mind about it now.

Iran has and continues to do some very nasty things, and I doubt I'll ever forgive dinner jacket for stealing our lads iPods, but I do think that his speech was well put together.

Rightly or wrongly I think it was a good message. That said, I still find it hard to like the guy.

Mind you, I don't like our Government either....
 

broadside

War Hero
finknottle said:
Broadside, China seem to be doing well enough, then we have Sweden and Venezuela shall I continue?

Sorry Fink - how do these examples count as Socialist states? I am not referring to socialist governments but what I presumed from your comment to be a statement in favour of Socialism.

I am also not trying to trick you in any way, I am genuinely interested in examples of Socialism working - for goodness sake we all know now (if we didn't a year ago) that Capitalism isn't a silver bullet but I haven't seen anything that I could hand on heart swear was a better option from elsewhere either because of corruption, mismanagement or whatever!
 

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