Teresa May calls for MP pay rise

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  1. Cut their numbers

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  2. Tax their perks (currently exempt)

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  3. Introduce Performance Related Pay - determined by constituents

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  4. Cut the number of other public sector staff to pay for MPs increase

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  5. Cut other public services to pay for it

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  6. Stop paying MPs altogether, as before 1911

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  7. Other comment

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  1. She suggested that MPs...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7286328.stm

    In the rest of the public sector pay increases have to be financed through efficiency savings, usually in the form of job cuts. So what efficiency savings could MPs personally make to pay for any pay increase?
     
  2. I think one way of paying for any pay rise would be for MPs to have to substantiate their expenses in the same was as every one else, ie justify it was neccesary for their business, and provide proof it was actually paid.
     
  3. Can't see that happening, Maxi - it would mean that we don't trust these 'honourable' people .....

    ;)
     
  4. I think I could struggle by on 61 grand a year ! I see a little pig lifting it's snout above the trough to see how the land lies..........
     
  5. Reading the article, I can't immediately see the problem. MPs have 2 places of work: Westminster and their constituency. Residence in the constituency should be theirs to cover, but Westminster is a "temporary place of work" and they should be able to cover the expense of living/staying in London. The cheapest solution is for them to have a residence in London, and this should be covered.

    As for MPs pay generally, if we're going to get politicians from industry and other walks of life, then they need to be compensated commensurately. Does their salary cover that? That's worthy of debate. But all expenses should be substantiated (as has been said already) and transparent, in the same manner as any other public servant.
     
  6. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    I think it only fair to quote Ms May in context
    I have to fully agree, what sort of world do we live in when one public servant (an MP) can claim up to £400 for expenses without the need for a receipt, when another (a serviceman for example) has to be able to account for every penny and keep those receipts for 2 years?

    Does the term "honourable" as applied to an MP infer the rest of us are "dishonourable"?
     
  7. It's not just the serviceman Chief, it's virtually everyone who holds a position where expenses are the norm and have to be claimed. most companies insist on receipts though some give an agreed daily allowance (as did my last company ) This allowance normally has to be agreed with the taxman.
     
  8. Surely they are doing the job for love of their Country. As most have lucrative other jobs (hence why most are never in Westminster) they should get a nominal 'fee' for turning up to take part in debates etc, also their constituents should have a say in whether MPs deserve paying, would mean everyone would find out who their MPs were because they would be getting visits/letters/phone calls etc
     
  9. Call me naive, but "really"? Like who?
     
  10. I was looking for something about Boris Johnson and "The Spectator", or non-executiveships, or something of that ilk.

    And it's Monday..."ironic" and "cynical" brain doesn't kick in until Thursday...
     
  11. Personally I think a MPs wage should be whatever the national average wage is. According to the ever friendly student loans company this is £2107 per month.

    As for expenses they should have as much as required to let them do their jobs properly. However it should all (down to the last penny) be publicly published, audited and no receipt = no payment.
     
  12. I see that the poll shows 'Performance related ... etc" in the first position.

    They have this sort of system with the Civil Serpents now...... the only thing is that the top level (First Division) get shedloads, and the bottom level (workers) don't - all they appear to get is 'packages' (a CS euphemism for 'redundancy').
     
  13. Isnt Teresa May a Porn Star?? Yes she is, I have phots of her in a sticky razzle under my bed with her monkey hanging out!!
    Good girl!
     
  14. Link their pay directly to the bottom of the Senior Civil Service. If they can make more money as Barristers or Merchant Bankers (ah! rhyming slang) and want to, let them sod off and pursue their own interests (they mostly do anyway).

    For expenses, let them work on capped actuals like the rest of us and keep all receipts for 3 years. Receipts to be audited against claims randomly.

    Within their allowance, let them employ whoever they want so long as it's publicly registered and accounted for.

    Make a seriously critical re-evaluation of their Pension arrangements.

    Finally, make plans to put the buggers out to contract and let us vote for, say, a hundred Contract Managers to run them. See Point 1 for the Contract Management pay rates with bonuses for getting the best value contracts but at their own personal Risk.
     
  15. Whats wrong with the Country owning accomodation near Westminster they can then mess it the same as any servicman has to when away from his main base and family. if they want to live out then they pay from their wages.

    The majority of politicians have NEVER held down a proper job. They haven't been headhunted to take the job, they've kissed a*se and sucked whatever to get the position. knowing what the rate of pay was so no sympathy there for them.
     
  16. I think that the low esteem politicians are held in today is reflected in some of the posts here.

    I have no problem with MPs having an outside job - the problem nowadays is that so many of them go into politics through local government, research jobs etc. that they have never experienced a real job. That is possibly one reason why we see so much PC crap today as the politicians do not know how to argue about anything else competently.

    A function of age possibly, but I seem to remember MPs - of all parties - who were basically honest and felt that they had a job to do. Paternalistic? Maybe, but they seemed to be able to do the job.

    If we want decent MPs then we have to pay them a realistic salary.

    The real problem is the dearth of good prospective MPs that are being selected by any party. Why I do not know, but maybe for a number of reasons - a lack of good candidates coming forward (they would rather stay out of public life, earn more cash and will not have the Sun on their case), the inability of party members to select decent people, the party organisation selecting the wrong potential candidates in the first place, etc.

    What I do know though is that a situation where the MPs are not trusted or believed leads to apathy which is not good for the country, the voters or democracy.

    McC
     
  17. I think you are right, many do hold todays MPs in low esteem, why because esteem has to be earned and most MPs do not earn it.


    A lot of the problem stems from the way MPs are selected by their parties where choices are made in smoky (well perhaps not nowadays smoky) back rooms and the electorate is expected to endorse that choice. To give more choice to the people we need firstly a more open and democratic way of selecting candidates so that potential MPs are selected because they are the person at least the rank and file party members want, and we use multi member STV elections. This would be more expensive you say, yes it would, but good democracy is not cheap, and is worth paying for.

    As for expenses, here in Scotland I can get access n line to any MSPs expense claims quite soon after they are submitted why can't I do that for the UK parliament. Openess gains respect and esteem.
     
  18. The idea of state owned accommodation certainly has merit.

    As for "proper jobs", I agree that many politicians have come from a political background without much idea of the real world. However, one of the things I did recently was to look over the CVs of PPCs in both Labour and the Conservatives, and many are from industry (as well as quite a few who are from a political walk of life). And having spoken to a few of those involved in the selection process, headhunting for candidates certainly does go on, more so of late. If we're going to secure the interests of the more successful members of industry, well, civic duty can only get them so far.
     
  19. Bunch of parisites the lot of them ,
     

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