Telegraph: "Revealed: 'City Soldiers' On £100,000"

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  1. Who`d have thought ?
    Doing something on the cheap costs more money ?

    No one could have forseen that.:protest:
     
  2. Blackrat

    Blackrat War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Storm in a teacup to be honest.
     
  3. Good on them.
    Well paid lads offering to serve alongside regular squaddies.
    Good on them.
     
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  4. Go look on ARRSE for a Regular Army take on this. One member in particular is not amused.
     
  5. What the **** do you expect? The gov wants a part time armed forces but they can't have it at with cheap labour if you earn 100 k in civvy street you will expect that if the gov mobilise you if you no longer want a full time armed forced you must live with the pay discrepancies.
    Its all about pensions??????
    t
     
  6. Playing advocate

    Good on them offering to serve.

    But 100,000 could be seen as 1 reserve offering to serve or 4 or 5 regulars ?

    Maybe I've got it wrong?

    No doubt someone will tell me so :)


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  7. Tommo - Exceptionally few TA privates receive over £100k p.a. According to the article, only eight Army reservists of all ranks up to junior officer have been paid that sort of money.

    In line with the Army's 1-in-5 deployment routine, that's actually £50k+ for being mobilised for a six-month deployment every two-and-a-half years which works out at £20k+ per year. Remember that they still have their normal civilian mortgages to pay and other regular financial commitments to satisfy, even while wearing a uniform. That's why they are compensated for losing their usual income, whatever it is.

    The total capitation rate for a Regular Army private (which includes pension provision, medical and dental cover, food & accommodation subsidy, etc.) over the same two-and-a-half years will exceed that and then some, even though he/she will only deploy on operations for the same six months. Any regulars ranked higher than private will cost even more.

    jim30 on ARRSE has one of the best explanations here. If reservists weren't cheaper than regulars, why do you think the Government regards their expansion as such a good idea?
     
  8. Oh come on, trusting a Govt on matters of money is ridiculous.
    Look at recently, we`ve been lumbered with PFI for London Underground, hospitals, fire stations (unbuilt/not commissioned), Quantative Easing, etc, etc, etc.
    Nobody in their right mind would think any of those were a good idea. All they`ve managed to do is some balance sheet massaging and passing on of the debt, sometimes to hundreds of times what should have been the original outlay, to sometime in the future. And thats all thats happening with the reservists, make the problem go away for a couple of years, don`t actually fix it, and then some other lot will be in and have to sort it.

    Wait till you find out what that guru George has done with the QE interest, that`ll make your toes curl. Still, the taxpayer can always cough up.
     
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  9. These Reservist Awards are based around the requirement to mobilise a reservist who brings his civilian skills to the service, the best example is those in the the medical community that form the Field Hospital Units. A consultant earns a lot of money and as such the system protects him/her from being finanacially punished when mobilised. However the regulations have to be applied across the board and you may well find a Cpl RMR being paid his civilian airline pilots ROP (£100,000.00) whilst mobilised.

    I would say that I feel these people should not be mobilised for they are probably not operationally critical and could be replaced by others who are financially more suitable.

    I don't care about the money but it is morale negative to any professional service person when it can't be justified, a further issue is the opsec of some individuals who seem to believe that it's ok to tell everyone what a good number they are on.

    As to this TA versus the regular option..........This will end in grief and may well finish the Reserve Forces as they will fail, sadly the influence of people like the DoW and other Senior Reservists of influence has swayed the government based on cost they are in a 'cock off' and the stakes are high.

    The RMR is exceptional because the Corps influence over them is massive, but the RMR has it's issues.

    I was forced to stay overnight at Altcar in November and quietly watched the over weight, over aged, PCS wearing, TA Wallahs spinning Brecon and Chilwell dits whilst in the Sergeants Mess......scary....very scary, if I hadn't been rescued by a couple of Bootnecks and whisked ashore to Liverpool I would have hung myself on the perimeter fence razor wire and waited for the crows to put me out of my misery rather than face another night of these people.


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  10. Not sure this is the best comparison - a reservist consultant MO's civilian salary is probably not vastly different to their Service equivalent - if anything the SP is paid more.

    Edited to add - agree completely with the rest of your post though!
     
  11. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    Docs always used to be on a higher pay scale than other officers. However I seem to remember a time when Service doc pay had fallen behind so far that the BMA was telling docs not to join.

    Mind you I can think of a couple of Sgn Cdrs long ago who didn't seem to do much to earn their pay, 'Young Doc' did it all. One was on a bottle and a quarter of duty-free gin a day - Younbg Doc who was the wine caterer showed me the books! But that was LONG ago.
     
  12. Several years ago, my job entailed being privy to the pack (file) containing draft S.206 reports on RNR officers at a certain Portsmouth establishment. Our PMO, a Surg Cdr RN, was required to write a report on a Surg Lt RNR borne for his annual two week training period in the Sick Bay but commented on the flysheet that he felt himself singularly unqualified to judge the specialist medical (i.e. not general) ability and competence of a senior consultant neurosurgeon at Guy's!
     

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