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Telegraph: "Ex Members Of Armed Forces To Be Fast Tracked Into Teaching"

scouse

War Hero
Won't they have to do a years PGCE, type course, before being An NGT...post graduate certificate of education and Newly qualified teacher..with all the drinking involved:grin: before they get on to MPS..main pay scale:neutral:
 

tommo

War Hero
A PGCE type course is usually required Scouse however I havent seen what the requirements will be ref this. Not sure what other quals they will get in the training period either. As there as a few different ones you can get dependant on the type of teaching
 

Rachelthree

War Hero
Schools Direct already offer salaried training positions and those of which attract a bursary of earning up to £20,000. You get a PGCE at the end but are trained primarily in one school, it is often offered in areas which are short on teachers to encourage people to continue to work within these schools when they qualify. I would imagine this would be along the same lines although this does typically require a degree as the article states so not sure how they will set the criteria. Universities themselves are very receptive to military experience from my limited experience; one of my friends left school at 16, achieved very few GCSE's and no further quals, but was accepted onto a PE teaching course after 4 years in the Army which is good. Obviously though coming from earning a wage to being a student for years isn't always possible so stuff like this sounds good. On placement in Wales in a primary school they had an ex army bloke who taught PE, he had no teaching quals just a satisfactory CRB and he was awesome.
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I looked briefly at this during my CTP, it is a fast track 2 year option, but the pay during and even after training is shit, which is a shame as I really fancy the job.
 

Rachelthree

War Hero
I looked briefly at this during my CTP, it is a fast track 2 year option, but the pay during and even after training is shit, which is a shame as I really fancy the job.

What were you looking at teaching? If it were maths or something you'd be quids in during training :p
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
What were you looking at teaching? If it were maths or something you'd be quids in during training :p

Vocational engineering at college level, where, hopefully the kids want to be there. I couldn't do classroom stuff or gobby brats either.
 

tommo

War Hero
When I taught at Cornwall College as a Programme Manager for the course, the pay was terrible for the job and it was the worst place to work for. It put me off teaching
 

Rachelthree

War Hero
Vocational engineering at college level, where, hopefully the kids want to be there. I couldn't do classroom stuff or gobby brats either.

Engineering, surprised they didn't bite your hand off! Teachers pay isn't great compared to other jobs utilizing specialist skills but you can sneak up the pay spine pretty quickly. When i was at college we were all naughtier than at school, although we chose to be there we were '2 kewl', oops. Alot of my friends teach and the ones in secondary seem a lot happier and less stressed then their primary contemporaries.
 

finknottle

Banned
After the war a large percentage of teachers had served and damned good teachers they were. Those were the days when they were allowed to give you a bloody good walloping. After facing the Hun and Japs they were hardly likely to put up with some 13 year old gobbing off to them and I can tell you, a sound thrashing now and again is character building.
 

Guzzler

War Hero
After the war a large percentage of teachers had served and damned good teachers they were. Those were the days when they were allowed to give you a bloody good walloping. After facing the Hun and Japs they were hardly likely to put up with some 13 year old gobbing off to them and I can tell you, a sound thrashing now and again is character building.

Satire at it's best. Nice one.
 
If I think back to my days at school I had some wonderful ex forces teachers who'd served in the War. One was an ex Bomber command pilot, another an ex soldier who I remember talking about serving on Crete and the most memorable was our school chaplain who also taught geography, he was ex Navy and inspired me with the quote "I've forgotten more swear words than you'll ever know". That gave me a lifelong thirst for knowledge to prove him wrong.

I'm all for ex forces guys/girls becoming teachers. If the pay is shite, do the course to get the qualifications then go abroad and teach, teaching jobs all over the world.
 

Guzzler

War Hero
I'm being what I think is rational here, and not trying to pick an argument, so please don't shout at me.

Why though?

Why should ex-service personnel side-step the academic qualifications that are required from other potential teachers? It's all very well looking at it from the point of view of the service person, but what about the students/pupils?

I would think that there is more to teaching than scaring the bejesus out of young Tyson-Scratchcard with tales of derring-do and a swift punch to the kidneys.

It can only be divisive (fancy that!) and will cause much resentment, I would think, amongst proper prospective teachers.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I've done the D.I.T. course, does that count for anything?

On a serious note, I'm with Guzz on this one. I don't see why ex-service personnel merit special attention. Why don't the Government include ex-police or firefighters if they're going down that route, They're assuming we're more disciplined I would imagine, and if a polly thinks we're more disciplined they've obviously not served or been on a foreign jolly!
 

Sumo

War Hero
Those who can do those that can not will have to put with a lot, I can not see teaching as an soft option
There is already a licensed teacher option where you do on job training and not a PGCE, I have been told these are not looked upon as being as qualified as a BEd or PGCE even though they are qualified to teach, this route takes 2years
 

tommo

War Hero
The college I worked for originally weren't going to hire me due to being ex forces. They did as I was the best they interviewed and proved them wrong, as I qualified on the job and went on to get top grading for my teaching by both the college's quality control and ofsted. Turning a pretty much dead course into a successful course before I left.

I know a few ex forces that have gone on to teaching at different levels of education and they get on alright.

As long as they pass the relevant qualifications required for the level of teaching then I don't see a problem.

The problem I see is it not being given a chance properly by those in the industry already.
 

Rachelthree

War Hero
Not in Plymouth you can't. I have 2 friends teaching at the college here. The top of the pay scale is £24K.

Yeah i forgot it was college you were interested in, primary and secondary you can.

The 1 year route still requires a degree and appears identical to a scheme already available to everyone, not sure what extra support is benefitted to them. The 2 year looks a bit more murky but there are already 2 year courses offered at some institutions already following the same 4 days on placement and 1 at uni rota. Legally the only qualifications required by teachers entering training now are GCSE's, it is entirely up to the body to decide the entry criteria, and i got onto a teaching course when i left school with no a levels.
 
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