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Telegraph: "Cutting Missile System Leaves Warships At Risk"

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The Royal Navy are expected to buy the class to replace the thirteen Type 23's at least one for one.[16] The first vessel is due to enter service with the Royal Navy by at least 2021. By the mid-2030s the Type 26 will be the backbone and workhorses of the Royal Navy.>>

Perhaps even coming to NZ too, Blobs:

<<...As of 31 January 2011 Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand and Turkey had all expressed interest...>>
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Blobby - "Global Combat", 5 of the batch multi purpose the remainder optimised for ASW inc the tails. The premise being (in general) existing kit is taken from a T23 and cross decked to a T26, then the T23 is decommissioned and the T26 commissioned. They have a pipeline set up for this.

Its a big platform, only marginally smaller than T45.

The CEC capability, although traded out now (to make the EP affordable - thats how its been 'balanced', SHAR, CVS, CEC....), could still be brought in down stream (unlikely unless the RN Brass grows a set), T45 and T26 are still to be fitted for and our liaison guy in the US is harvesting other parts of related work we can try and use as an interim measure.
 
Cheers team. I can't see the RNZ navy getting the type 26 though, we've got ships tied up at the moment with no-one to man them due to budget cuts and cost saving. Makes you wonder what goes through the minds of the grown ups eh.
 

trelawney126

War Hero
"The system is vital because enemy warships and incoming missiles can sometimes be masked by hilly coastal areas — such as in the Falklands, where the terrain of San Carlos Water meant that an incoming Exocet would not have been seen before it was too late."

PPI can see that the Exocet would be masked by hilly terrain when launched as one was against HMS Glamorgan, however in the confines of St Carlos water don't think the missile could be launched and acquire by an aircraft, if shore launched there would be too much interference from the terrain. Ballistic or other weapon experts probably know the weapons restrictions. Is Exocet still the threat or are there other missiles on the open market which are a greater threat?
 

Guns

War Hero
Moderator
Cheers team. I can't see the RNZ navy getting the type 26 though, we've got ships tied up at the moment with no-one to man them due to budget cuts and cost saving. Makes you wonder what goes through the minds of the grown ups eh.

Don't be too sure. You have a friend of mine and Kiwi Naval Officer on the staff at project. It is being designed with the export market in mind.
 
G

guestm

Guest
The loss of CEC is no biggie if you ask me. We don't need it.
 
G

guestm

Guest
Depends, its one less way to interoperate with a USN battle group and given our lower numbers its one less advantage. For the price it offered a decent set of benefits that we will have to live without.

I suppose it depends on your future conflict forecast.

I personally see interoperability with a US battlegroup as not being a requirement anytime in the future. Plus, Link does enough. We don't need twitchy yanks pinging off our valuable and limited weapon systems from afar.
 

Ballistic

War Hero
"The system is vital because enemy warships and incoming missiles can sometimes be masked by hilly coastal areas — such as in the Falklands, where the terrain of San Carlos Water meant that an incoming Exocet would not have been seen before it was too late."

PPI can see that the Exocet would be masked by hilly terrain when launched as one was against HMS Glamorgan, however in the confines of St Carlos water don't think the missile could be launched and acquire by an aircraft, if shore launched there would be too much interference from the terrain. Ballistic or other weapon experts probably know the weapons restrictions. Is Exocet still the threat or are there other missiles on the open market which are a greater threat?

Thanks for the compliment Trelawney but I was never an "expert"; simply a gunbuster making sure my big bangy-thing was pointing in roughly the same direction as what the clever people with the computers and radar and stuff wanted it to.
 

soleil

War Hero
MoD response to the T'graph article:

"The Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC), which the paper was referring to, has not been cut; it was never in the committed core equipment programme.


The MOD's comprehensive assessment of the CEC informed the decision made during Planning Round 12 that it was not necessary to commit to purchasing the capability at this stage.


As the Defence Secretary made clear last month, the MOD budget has headroom of £8bn over the next 10 years for potential new programmes. The Armed Forces Committee will prioritise which projects to commit to when necessary, and not before.


The Type 45 destroyer provides a world-leading, state-of-the-art anti-air-warfare platform with a range of capabilities for defeating complex threats."
 

SEP86

War Hero
MoD response to the T'graph article:

"The Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC), which the paper was referring to, has not been cut; it was never in the committed core equipment programme.


The MOD's comprehensive assessment of the CEC informed the decision made during Planning Round 12 that it was not necessary to commit to purchasing the capability at this stage.


As the Defence Secretary made clear last month, the MOD budget has headroom of £8bn over the next 10 years for potential new programmes. The Armed Forces Committee will prioritise which projects to commit to when necessary, and not before.


The Type 45 destroyer provides a world-leading, state-of-the-art anti-air-warfare platform with a range of capabilities for defeating complex threats."

Well that's alright then lol! (That wasn't a dig at you Sol - thank you for updating the thread)
 
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