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Telegraph: "Cost Of Refitting Royal Navy Aircraft Carrier Trebles"

off_les_aura

War Hero
Since we don't have the empire anymore, we don't need the fleet or have the money for the ships.

I went to an interesting lecture by a pre-eminent Naval historian recently. He argues that whilst we might not have an empire per se, the international trade routes that we set up during the Imperial period are still there and still need to be protected. Whilst we might not reign over India, Canada, Nigeria, Middle East etc we still trade with them (which is why London is still the financial hub of the world despite the loss of Empire). The Navy is still need to protect our trade routes. Or something. I fell asleep near the end.
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Wave Dodger. Well aware of WL cost models thanks, have built a few myself. However, the FMS package includes all the logistic support documentation etc. The budget is supposed to be for the conversion itself, not other add-ons. Even if it was, there should be minimal impact on complementing and shoreside support. You have to have loads of bodies thrown at something to make a real difference. As a rule of thumb, contractor personnel cost about £200k pa, service personnel between £500k and £1M pa.Even over ten years that's quite a few bodies to get anywhere near teh costs being quoted......
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
The budget is supposed to be for the conversion itself, not other add-ons. Even if it was, there should be minimal impact on complementing and shoreside support. You have to have loads of bodies thrown at something to make a real difference. As a rule of thumb, contractor personnel cost about £200k pa, service personnel between £500k and £1M pa.Even over ten years that's quite a few bodies to get anywhere near teh costs being quoted......

Read my post again. The costs as presented are for the whole life cost of the equipment, taking into account hardware failures, spares and other associated costs, not just the cost of manpower. It is the whole life package. You're comparing apples and tuesdays. The costs as presented will have indicative manpower support costs but for an equipment capability such as this the largest component costs tend to be hardware, especially in an instance like this when we're buying a very bespoke capability - hence the large costs. The budget was never for just conversion, that isn't how we deliver capabilities.
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Still struggling to cope with a concept for spares which vastly exceeds the price of the hardware, the majority of which is electrical non-moving parts. I can understand it if it includes pendants for the AAG (although they should be cheap), but the whole point of the electrical machines (energy storage, power mgmt and linear motor elements) is that they have a very low failure rate.

Where have the projected failure rates come from? GA, or extrapolated from some other UK systems? Incidentally, if the conversion is being costed in WLC, why is the build and operation of the ship not (or not typically anyway)?
 
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