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SONAR-BENDER

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Right. Where do I sign up to become a 'defence and security' expert.....

Alexander Neill, a Singapore-based defence and security expert, told the BBC the number of injuries caused by the collision suggested the submarine probably "hit something big" and was "going really fast".

Well no sh1t Sherlock.
 
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Mid 1960's at Mercury I was wearing Submarines cap tally (no Dolphins in those days just the sausage on a stick which most of us refused to wear), a Reggie told me to change my cap tally to a Mercury one, I refused saying I was qualified to wear the Submarines one, He went off to get advice and I heard no more. I think I was the only JR Submariner at Mercury at the time, it really impressed the new entry Jennies ;);)
https://www.google.com/search?q=fle...2C_%3BDiSdmFbvCU_NHM%2CvmndPR-69qaLSM%2C_%3BL Theres a photograph of a FAA cap ribbon and cap
 

slim

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Kinell Tex
FFS that's is a WWII photo.
At the same time that was taken the rest of the RN were wearing cap tallies with the letters HMS.
This was to prevent spies from knowing which ship/establishment the matelot belonged to.
Are you sure that you once served or are you a WALT?
 

WreckerL

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Kinell Tex
FFS that's is a WWII photo.
At the same time that was taken the rest of the RN were wearing cap tallies with the letters HMS.
This was to prevent spies from knowing which ship/establishment the matelot belonged to.
Are you sure that you once served or are you a WALT?
Walt.
 
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Tallies issued for use in submarines have an interesting history. When the Submarine Service was first established tallies bearing 'H.M. SUBMARINES' were used. AFO 226/24 of 7th January 1924 stated that in future all cap ribbons worn by the crews of submarines were to bear the individual designation of the respective submarine instead of the 'H.M. SUBMARINES' tally. This meant that submariners tallies bore the submarine's number prefixed by 'H.M. SUBMARINE', i.e, 'H.M. SUBMARINE E12' etc. A quantity of 'H.M. SUBMARINES' cap ribbons were retained for use by spare (unallocated) crews. A variant of the submariner's tally bears the lettering 'H.M. SUBMARINE'.

The use of 'named' tallies for submarines went out of use before the Second World War, when submariners reverted to using 'H.M. SUBMARINES' tallies. Ratings serving on submarines were also authorised to wear an economy pattern ribbon bearing only the lettering 'H.M. S/M' under AFO 3481/43.

Since the end of the Second World War submariners have only worn tallies bearing the lettering 'H.M. SUBMARINES'. This is still the situation today.)
 
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Tallies issued for use in submarines have an interesting history. When the Submarine Service was first established tallies bearing 'H.M. SUBMARINES' were used. AFO 226/24 of 7th January 1924 stated that in future all cap ribbons worn by the crews of submarines were to bear the individual designation of the respective submarine instead of the 'H.M. SUBMARINES' tally. This meant that submariners tallies bore the submarine's number prefixed by 'H.M. SUBMARINE', i.e, 'H.M. SUBMARINE E12' etc. A quantity of 'H.M. SUBMARINES' cap ribbons were retained for use by spare (unallocated) crews. A variant of the submariner's tally bears the lettering 'H.M. SUBMARINE'.

The use of 'named' tallies for submarines went out of use before the Second World War, when submariners reverted to using 'H.M. SUBMARINES' tallies. Ratings serving on submarines were also authorised to wear an economy pattern ribbon bearing only the lettering 'H.M. S/M' under AFO 3481/43.

Since the end of the Second World War submariners have only worn tallies bearing the lettering 'H.M. SUBMARINES'. This is still the situation today.)
3481.—Cap Ribbons—Ratings in Submarines (V. 0570/43.—29 Jul. 1943.) Ratings serving in submarines may wear cap ribbons lettered “ H.M. S/M.” and A.F.O. 5958/42 is to be amplified accordingly. 2. Demands for these ribbons should be forwarded either to— H.M. Naval Victualling Depots, Southern Area, Thatcham, Berks, or H.M. Naval Victualling Depot, Jamestown, Dunbartonshire, or H.M. Naval Victualling Depots, Lancashire Area, Accrington, and they are to be issued on repayment to ratings requiring them. 3. Ratings serving in submarines who are still in possession of ribbons lettered “ H.M. Submarines ” may use them until they are worn out, and if there are any stocks of such ribbons in submarine depot ships they may be issued on repayment. No further supplies of ribbons thus lettered will be made during the war. (Flag Officer Submarines' No. 386/S.M. 163 of 17 Feb. 1943 and No. 1137/S.M. 78 of 21 M ay 1943.) (A.F.O. 5958/42.)
 
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3481.—Cap Ribbons—Ratings in Submarines (V. 0570/43.—29 Jul. 1943.) Ratings serving in submarines may wear cap ribbons lettered “ H.M. S/M.” and A.F.O. 5958/42 is to be amplified accordingly. 2. Demands for these ribbons should be forwarded either to— H.M. Naval Victualling Depots, Southern Area, Thatcham, Berks, or H.M. Naval Victualling Depot, Jamestown, Dunbartonshire, or H.M. Naval Victualling Depots, Lancashire Area, Accrington, and they are to be issued on repayment to ratings requiring them. 3. Ratings serving in submarines who are still in possession of ribbons lettered “ H.M. Submarines ” may use them until they are worn out, and if there are any stocks of such ribbons in submarine depot ships they may be issued on repayment. No further supplies of ribbons thus lettered will be made during the war. (Flag Officer Submarines' No. 386/S.M. 163 of 17 Feb. 1943 and No. 1137/S.M. 78 of 21 M ay 1943.) (A.F.O. 5958/42.)
*5958.— Cap Ribbons (V. 4073/42.— 3.12.1942.) The issue in the Fleet of cap ribbons lettered with ships’ names or with special lettering of any kind has been discontinued for the period of the war and only ribbons lettered “ H.M.S. ” will be supplied from the victualling yards and depots
 

WreckerL

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@Tex , has anyone told you before but you could send a glass eye to sleep!

Just for your info I'm well aware of the history of the submarine cap tally and I'll change the epithet "walt" to "walting googler" as well as FOCAP.
 
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