Submiss = Argentinian Submarine San Juan

^^ <<...The sending of Mascolo, a man of strong temperament and character, to the naval base of Mar del Plata caused rispideces with its owner, Rear Admiral Gabriel González...>>

?? Best I could find was: Rispidity SF

1. ( esp LAm ) (= bad education ) → coarseness , uncouthness
2. (= roughness ) → roughness , sharpness


My guess is that Rear Admiral Gabriel Gonzále was NOT a happy bunny with the relief foisted on him...

Any Spanish/Argentine linguists able to clarify, pretty please??
 
Oh dear. Old wounds.
Wonder if the sister realises we can't afford to send our precious war canoes that far just for publicity we don't need.
They're a sad nation.
 
Apologies for Thread Drift but here we veer off-track for a wee while.

Oh dear. Old wounds.
Wonder if the sister realises we can't afford to send our precious war canoes that far just for publicity we don't need.
They're a sad nation.
Presuming that for <<Sister>> you meant the fragrant Cristina Fernández de Kirchner??,aka CFK or sometimes Fernández or Cristina, that Argentine lawyer, politician, President of Argentina (relieving her husband) from 2007 - 2015

Thankfully CFK is no longer in a position to send anyone anywhere - Nowadays it is she who is being sent to places...

Just recently (along with a few others) she was 'arrested' for her alleged role in covering up the official inquiries into the death of Alberto Nisman who was assassinated in Jan. 2015. Apparently that Argentine special prosecutor was bumped off the very day before he was due to reveal his own findings relating to the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires in 1994 which killed 84 people.

Oh, the scandals surrounding her finances? <<Several scandals took place during the Kirchner administration. The first involved the detention of Venezuelan-American businessman Antonini Wilson in an airport after being found with a suitcase filled with $800,000. This money was illegally provided by Petróleos de Venezuela, the state oil company, to be used for Kirchner's 2007 general election campaign...

Kirchner is also being investigated for her role in "The Route of the K-Money" scandal. A million dollars of her assets is frozen while Bonadio investigates the case. She took advantage of the hearing to organize her first political rally since leaving power.[96] Lázaro Báez who has close ties with the Kirchners was detained in April 2016 as it was suspected that he might flee escape.[97] José López, an official from the ministry of public works, was detained while trying to hide bags filled with millions in cash at a monastery.[98]

On 27 December 2016, Federal Judge Julián Ercolini ordered the freezing of US$633m of Kirchner's assets and approved charges of illicit association and fraudulent administration against her....>> see Wiki

Their press also speculates about their MOD & contractors 'fiddling the books over Defence contracts', possibly including ARA San Juan's refit costs, during CFK's tenure.

As Quoted above - A Sad Nation indeed, the saddest being those poor souls at the lower ends of their oft corrupted food chains.
 
Back on track but no real developments.

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2017 THE NATION

<<Today, one month after the tragedy of the ARA San Juan, the Navy guaranteed the continuity of the search operation of the 44 crew members "until all available means, both national and international, are exhausted."

Without saying it drastically, yesterday's own naval statement admitted that the efforts to locate the submarine will have a limit, marked by the time in which they will be able to effectively dispose of remotely operated submersible vehicles (ROV). The Navy considers this device as the "decisive equipment for the positive identification of the submarine". Without them, there is very little that can be done...

Blah Blah, lists of vessels involved, including HMS PROTECTOR, then

...Despite the reduction of units in the theater of operations and in the midst of strong tensions over the passages of invoices and internal naval driving, the Navy tried to clear doubts and said that it is "the first interested in finding the submarine to be able to determine the reasons and causes that led to that situation and, thus, prevent future accidents. ">>

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2091685-...el-submarino-pero-con-menos-barcos-en-la-zona
 
Two stories from la nation today, almost defying belief!

Due to retire shortly anyway (but expected to remain in post until the ARA San Juan saga concludes) and responsible for recent sackings (including one candidate for his own post) and consequently causing resignations among their service hierarchies the head of the Argentine Navy, Srur, has now been sacked himself! Read on:


Submarine ARA San Juan SATURDAY, DECEMBER 16, 2017

Oscar Aguad displaced the head of the Navy, Marcelo Srur, in the middle of the crisis by the submarine


The defense minister asked him last night to retreat to the Navy chief one month after the tragedy of the submarine ARA San Juan, which remains missing



President Mauricio Macri with Oscar Aguad and Marcelo Srur. Photo: Archive

Srur, a low profile naval boss and strong sense of authority

Srur, 60, had taken office in the Navy in January 2016, appointed by President Mauricio Macri.

With the decision of the Minister of Defense, Srur will go to retirement and it is still unknown who will succeed him as head of the naval force. In the context of the crisis of the Navy, the deputy chief of force, Vice Admiral Miguel Ángel Máscolo, is seen as an ally of Srur, and had rispideces with the naval chiefs of Mar del Plata.


Marcelo Srur. Photo: Courtesy

Admiral Srur had had a strong conflict last week with the Training and Enlistment commander, Rear Admiral Luis Enrique López Mazzeo, the third in the hierarchical line of the Navy, whom he separated from his position, along with the head of the Submarine Force , captain Claudio Villamide. This caused a chain resignation of the commanders of the Sea Fleet, the Marine Infantry, the Naval Aviation and the Atlantic Naval Area, who asked for their own retirement, in solidarity with López Mazzeo, which led to an unprecedented crisis in the recent naval history.

As the NATION learned last night, Lopez Mazzeo presented a release in the last hours to answer Srur's decision to relieve him. He challenged the chief of the Navy and questioned him as "in a position to impartially judge the facts for which I am suspended."

Prior to the disappearance of the submarine and the outbreak of the naval crisis ,. Lopez Mazzeo was the strongest candidate to succeed Srur, when two months ago it transpired the intention of President Mauricio Macri to relieve the entire leadership of the Armed Forces.

Although the search of the submarine had caused an impasse in the fulfillment of those military relays, the interdict between Srur and the rest of the naval chiefs, to which the commission of investigation instituted by the defense minister added, accelerated the times.

Military sources estimated that López Mazzeo's release could have influenced Aguad's decision to relieve Srur, although the separation of the commander of naval operations remains standing.

In that text, López Mazzeo considers the procedure that was followed to notify him of the separation of his position and its effectiveness illegal.

And he expresses to Srur that "the citizens and the political and judicial authorities expect the Navy to explain to them how the trusting material is taken care of, how the enlistment is made, the checks and follow the protocols of evaluation of their means".

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2092048-...o-srur-en-medio-de-la-crisis-por-el-submarino


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An Article from la nation about the Sacked Navy Chief:

Srur, a low profile naval boss and strong sense of authority


FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2017

The last week Srur faced a strong crisis within the force, sanctioning the training and recruitment commander, Rear Admiral Luis Enrique López Mazzeo, whom he separated from his position, which provoked the immediate reaction of other commanders, who requested his own retirement. The conflict faced, basically, the sailors who were conducting the search operation of the submarine in the naval bases of Puerto Belgrano and Mar del Plata with the authorities that made decisions in Buenos Aires.

Born 60 years ago in Bella Vista, a town not only geographically close to military thinking, Srur is married to Marcela Caride and graduated from the Naval Military School in December 1979 and was trained in joint military planning at the operational strategic level.

Between 2009 and 2011 he was added to the Argentine embassy in Defense and, in recent years, he held strategic functions in naval management. At the end of 2010, with the degree of Rear Admiral, he assumed as general director of Materials of the Navy, the area dedicated specifically to the incorporation and renewal of naval media, fundamental tools for the development of force, as demonstrated even when they depart in the light of limited resources.

Three years later, in June 2013, Srur acceded to the Command of Enlistment and Training, becoming the number three in the driving force, when the Navy came out of the serious scandal that had arisen with the retention of the Freedom Frigate in Ghana, by a demand of the vulture funds, in full Kirchner government.

Based in the Naval Base of Puerto Belgrano, the heart of the naval family, this command depends on the movement and operation of the entire sea fleet, the Marine Infantry, naval aviation and the Submarine Force, the natural seat of the ARA San Juan, in Mar del Plata. Especially that naval power of broad jurisdiction.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2085279-srur-un-jefe-naval-de-bajo-perfil-y-fuerte-sentido-de-autoridad


BOBNOTE Re: Freedom Frigate in Ghana.In simple terms - IIRC In 2012 this was seized by legal action because 'debts due had not been re-paid'. Keen to raise money under any terms ATT but they were less keen to make repayments when due, resorting to calling their creditors 'Vultures' instead. See: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/10/argentinian-naval-ship-ghanaian-port
 
Profile of the possible replacement for the sacked Admiral Marcelo Srur??

Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Navy
Vice Admiral IM VGM
Miguel Ángel Máscolo




The Vice Admiral of Marine Infantry, Malvinas War Veteran, Miguel Ángel Máscolo, was born on August 9, 1959 in the city of Avellaneda, of the Province of Buenos Aires. He graduated as Marine Guard from the Naval Military School on January 1, 1981.

Belonging to the Command Corps, he served as officer in the Marine Infantry Command, Naval Military School, ARA Frigate "Libertad", Naval War College, Joint War College, Navy Education Directorate, Amphibian Naval Command, Battalion of Marine Infantry No. 5, Naval Detachment Rio Grande, among other destinations.

He served as a military observer in Western Sahara between September 1994 and September 1995.

In 1999 he graduated as Officer of the Marine Infantry Staff, at the Naval War School.

In 2008 he completed the Joint Strategy and Higher Driving Course at the Joint War College.

He exercised command in the following units: Marcelo Srur

He holds a Bachelor's Degree in Marine Infantry Systems.

He was a Defense Attaché in the Republic of South Africa between November 2011 and November 2013.

He promoted to Rear Admiral at the end of 2013 and assumed the position of Director of Personnel of the Navy.

In the month of February 2016 he was appointed Deputy Chief of the Joint Staff of the Armed Forces.

On December 31, 2016, he was promoted to the rank of Vice Admiral.

On January 10, 2017, he was appointed Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Navy.

Distinctions

In 2005 he was awarded the Distinctive "Combat Operations" for his participation in the conflict over the Malvinas Islands.

Decorations

In 1982 he received the Medal "Honor to Combat Value", awarded by the Argentine Navy and approved by the National Executive Power through a Diploma as "The Argentine Nation of Combat Value" - Law No. 22607

In 1990 he received the Diploma and Steel Medal "The Honorable Congress of the Nation to the Combatants", awarded for having fought in the war for the territorial claim of the Malvinas Islands - Law No. 23118.

http://www.ara.mil.ar/curriculum.asp?id=59
 
2 Hrs ago - BBC picks up the above Sacking Story:

...The head of the Argentine navy has been sacked following the loss of a submarine and its crew in the South Atlantic last month.

The defence minister placed Adm Marcelo Srur in retirement on Friday night, it has emerged.

The ARA San Juan disappeared with 44 crew on board after reporting an electrical problem off the coast of Patagonia.

An international search operation has failed to locate the vessel...>>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-42379720

...still searching
 
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Profile of the possible replacement for the sacked Admiral Marcelo Srur??

Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Navy
Vice Admiral IM VGM
Miguel Ángel Máscolo

Nope, he is binned too,


Submarino San Juan: Macri retired to the head of the Navy and assumes his replacement


The measure also includes the deputy head. The defense minister appoints Admiral José Luis Villán as the new commander.
  • President Mauricio Macri signed Decree 1651 yesterday, through which the Chief of the Navy, Admiral Marcelo Srur and the deputy chief of the force, Vice Admiral Miguel Angel Máscolo, as a first step to decompress the navy intern.

    Now, Defense Minister Oscar Aguad is finalizing the resolution to appoint the current Deputy Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Vice Admiral José Luis Villán , as provisional commander of the Navy, as Clarin announced on Saturday exclusively.

    Aguad also had last night to his signature the resolution that constitutes the board of investigations of the tragedy of the submarine San Juan, reported spokesmen of the portfolio of Defense.

    The designation of Villán - despite not being a navy but a naval officer (Translation Error - he is a 'Marine Officer') - prevented that due to a question of seniority, other high officials resigned. When a young officer arrives at the head of a force, he forces all those who graduated before him who are "older" to resign, as it is said in military jargon. It will be the first time in naval history in Argentina that the navy (Translation Error - he is a 'Marine ') commanded the Navy. The motto of the infants will be useful to try to solve the internal crisis: "hard training, easy combat".

    Thus Aguad will be able, next year, to name the new dome of the Navy after knowing the result of the summary that will try to determine the causes of the San Juan accident based on concrete evidence. One of the reasons for Srur's withdrawal request was, precisely, the elevation to the minister of "contradictory reports" on the state of maintenance of San Juan. As this newspaper advanced, there was a secret report in the Navy that reported flaws in the San Juan and that Srur would have retained to improve his position before the investigation. These reports were delivered, last week, to the federal judge of Caleta Olivia, Marta Yañez, who is in charge of the investigation to determine if crimes were committed in the lack of maintenance and the management of the San Juan crisis.

    Yesterday, the investigative board was set up, which, as Clarín announced, will be composed of three prestigious retired admirals, will be independent and will have its own resources to hire foreign experts. The board consists of three former commanders of the submarine ARA San Juan. Among them are the Rear Admiral (Adolfo Gustavo Trama), and Rear Admiral (RE) and Captain of the ship (RE) Jorge Bergallo, father of the second commander of the missing ship Jorge Ignacio Bergallo, one of the 44 crew members of the submarine disappeared. will start working in the coming days. This board will advise the Chief of Legal Affairs of the Ministry of Defense who will be in charge of the investigation, Juan Manuel Mocoroa.

    The new Chief of the Navy, José Luis Villan, graduated as Marine Infantry Guardian from the Naval Academy and approved the courses of the Naval War College and the Joint War College. In his career, he was stationed in the Marine Infantry Battalion No. 5, the Command and Logistical Support Battalion of the Navy Infantry Brigade No. 1, in the Marine Infantry Battalion No. 2, in the Marine Infantry Battalion No. 3 , in the Security Battalion of the Naval Base "Puerto Belgrano" and in the Security Battalion of the General Staff of the Navy. He also joined the Marine Fleet Force of the Sea Fleet, the General Staff of the Navy and is currently the second of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the Armed Forces.

    Being a Lieutenant of the Navy, he served as Company Manager in the Joint Task Force Argentina UNO of the United Nations Mission in Cyprus, then he served as the Joint Command of the Argentine Forces highlighted in the United Nations Mission in Haiti XV. In addition, he served in the Naval Mission of Instruction in the Republic of Paraguay, in the Naval Attachment in the United States of America and in the Defense and Naval Attachment in the Federative Republic of Brazil.

    According to military sources, Aguad with the provisional appointment of Villán evited a virtual rupture of the Navy between the current dome and the layer of rear admirals that should happen next year

    The government source warned that "the internal crisis in the Navy had caused a deterioration that prevented guaranteeing transparency and impartiality in the investigation of the causes of the San Juan tragedy." "We had to restore the chain of command and the natural change in the strength that was weakened," the official source added.

    Meanwhile, the commander of Training and Naval Enlistment, Rear Admiral Luis Lopez Mazzeo, who is based in Puerto Belgrano, is still temporarily suspended. Before this crisis, Lopez Mazzeo was the one who had been best considered by the Superior Board of Qualifications of the Navy among the candidates to succeed Srur. The suspension of Lopez Mazzeo by Srur had caused four rear-admirals - including the heads of the fleet, the marine infantry and the naval plane - to present their request for withdrawal to solidarity with López Mazzeo.

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  • EDIT To Add Source:
  • https://www.clarin.com/tema/submarino_desaparecido_ara_san_juan.html

  • Both La Nation & Clarin seem to be erecting Paywalls and I'm fresh out of pesky Peso Ickies...
 
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Published: 12/17/2017 - 11:13 hs.

ARA San Juan | A secret report from the Navy reveals deficiencies in the submarine



The document is from December 20, 2016 and warns about problems in the batteries, among other shortcomings.

A secret report from the Navy had alerted about a series of deficiencies of the submarine ARA San Juan, which disappeared on November 15 after reporting a failure in the batteries. This is precisely one of the six deficiencies that were included in the internal document, which was made after the submarine's technical inspection, by the force itself.

The report is dated December 20, 2016 but the Government recently accessed the document. The report was in the knowledge of Admiral Marcelo Srur , displaced from the leadership of the force by Defense Minister Oscar Aguad .


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In the document it was alerted: "The deficiencies found in the equipment of the ARA San Juan make difficult their enlistment to fulfill with the plans of rigor". Some of the warnings in the report were precisely because of the "limitation in the useful life of the batteries" and the lack of basic equipment to assist crew members in case they suffered injuries during the journeys.

The report also mentions that in mid-life repairs "inadequate or low-quality materials were used", lack of "pyrotechnic signals" to be used in cases of emergency, "water entry through the interior of Loop cables in the room on the radio. "

Read alsoSubmarine missing | A report recommended that the ARA San Juan go to repair for the entrance of water in the snorkel

In addition warns that "lack of certification of hatches (the submarine) is unable to perform the specific training and combined in rescue operations and assistance," says Clarín .

The report would be part of the complaint that the deputy of Change Elisa Carrió made against the former defense ministers of Kirchner Agustín Rossi and Nilda Garré.

The presentation is the result of irregularities that would have been committed in the repairs of the submarine fleet, including the ARA San Juan, in the period 2005-2015, for the crimes of "illicit association", "fraud against public administration", "bribery", "embezzlement of public funds", "violation of the duties of a public official" and "abuse of authority".

https://tn.com.ar/politica/ara-san-...-deficiencias-en-el-submarino_840544#cxrecs_s
 
Apologies for Thread Drift but here we veer off-track for a wee while.



Presuming that for <<Sister>> you meant the fragrant Cristina Fernández de Kirchner??,aka CFK or sometimes Fernández or Cristina, that Argentine lawyer, politician, President of Argentina (relieving her husband) from 2007 - 2015

Thankfully CFK is no longer in a position to send anyone anywhere - Nowadays it is she who is being sent to places...

Just recently (along with a few others) she was 'arrested' for her alleged role in covering up the official inquiries into the death of Alberto Nisman who was assassinated in Jan. 2015. Apparently that Argentine special prosecutor was bumped off the very day before he was due to reveal his own findings relating to the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires in 1994 which killed 84 people.

Oh, the scandals surrounding her finances? <<Several scandals took place during the Kirchner administration. The first involved the detention of Venezuelan-American businessman Antonini Wilson in an airport after being found with a suitcase filled with $800,000. This money was illegally provided by Petróleos de Venezuela, the state oil company, to be used for Kirchner's 2007 general election campaign...

Kirchner is also being investigated for her role in "The Route of the K-Money" scandal. A million dollars of her assets is frozen while Bonadio investigates the case. She took advantage of the hearing to organize her first political rally since leaving power.[96] Lázaro Báez who has close ties with the Kirchners was detained in April 2016 as it was suspected that he might flee escape.[97] José López, an official from the ministry of public works, was detained while trying to hide bags filled with millions in cash at a monastery.[98]

On 27 December 2016, Federal Judge Julián Ercolini ordered the freezing of US$633m of Kirchner's assets and approved charges of illicit association and fraudulent administration against her....>> see Wiki

Their press also speculates about their MOD & contractors 'fiddling the books over Defence contracts', possibly including ARA San Juan's refit costs, during CFK's tenure.

As Quoted above - A Sad Nation indeed, the saddest being those poor souls at the lower ends of their oft corrupted food chains.
In short NO. I didn't refer to Kirchner. The article wasn't about her!!! I simply remarked on the comment made by the 'sister' of the sailor on board the missing sub.

How Kirchner came into I'm at loss to understand.
 
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Have we had this one yet?

https://www.rt.com/news/412640-argentina-submarine-germany-corruption/

However RT is Putin's disinformation channel so a pinch of salt perhaps.

What I still don't understand is why, with known battery probs, the s/m did not make its transit surfaced.

Anyway lots of promotions in the ARA now after the cull.
Looking at the footage of the weather conditions it may have been decided it was safer and quicker with a dived transit.

Depending what the problem was with the fwd battery may have been a significant factor, if you've got some sick cells, possibly leaking, the last place you'd want to be is on the roof in roughers with acid splashing about.

Just speculation on my part.
 
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Looking at the footage of the weather conditions it may have been decided it was safer and quicker with a dived transit.

Depending what the problem was with the fwd battery may have been a significant factor, if you've got some sick cells, possibly leaking, the last place you'd want to be is on the roof in roughers with acid splashing about.

Just speculation on my part.
spoken like a battery bilge rat
 

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