Submiss = Argentinian Submarine San Juan

After 80 days of the disappearance of the submarine ARA San Juan , President Mauricio Macri promised yesterday to the relatives of the 44 crew to redouble the search, technology, ships and collaborate with the judicial investigation.

And announced that on Monday will set a "millionaire international reward" for whoever finds the ship, which would be around US $ 4 million. The meeting of just over an hour, in the North Hall of the Casa Rosada, was tense. There were strong claims to the Government of 35 relatives to increase efforts in the waters of the South Atlantic and accelerate the investigation into the causes of the tragedy of the ARA San Juan.

After the meeting, the Minister of Defense, Oscar Aguad , informed that the Government will publish on Monday an administrative resolution by which it will offer "a millionaire international reward" for those who find the submarine. When the press asked if it could be about US $ 4 million, Aguad said: "It is probable, it is probable ...".

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2107088...el-pais-o-el-barco-que-encuentre-el-submarino


A good idea? IMHO, it struck me as a politician's persuasive platitude to pacify and painlessly ease the anguish of the Crew's relatives.

Who gets the Reward? If a vessel arrived on station and (searching an area deemed the likeliest by results from previous search vessels) finds the boat two-six: Jackpot - Kerching!

Then, whom of the finder's vessel gets to actually trouser shares of that quoted $4 Mill USD? The finder's government? the crew?

IMO - Most unfair to all those other searchers who (diverted at nil notice from other tasks to transit search and return) had spent weeks 0f rolling their guts out fruitlessly but on purely altruistic humanitarian grounds

$4 Mill USD? Just my opinion, but best safely ringfenced, with other funding, for the dependents charitable trust fund.
 
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2120772...-un-experto-venezolano-busque-al-ara-san-juan

march 28, 2018

THE NATION | POLICY | SUBMARINE ARA SAN JUAN
Family members ask a Venezuelan expert to look for ARA San Juan


The meeting of the bicameral commission in charge of investigating the disappearance of ARA San Juan yesterday gave an unexpected turn:

at the proposal of the family members of the crew, a Venezuelan expert dedicated to underwater research came before Congress and promised to locate the submarine within a period of time. maximum of one hundred days.

"If it is in the water, we will find it, and the submarines do not fly," said Hugo Marino, head of the Sea Corporation firm, without question.

With images of other searches he had done in the past, the businessman explained that he can start work in three weeks, in partnership with the Norwegian company Konsberg. The initiative awakens distrust in the Casa Rosada, given that attempts have already been made without results with the help of Russia, the United States and Great Britain.

Disappointed by the pressure of the relatives, the representatives of the ruling party in the commission promised a management before the Executive Power so that the proposal is analyzed of urgent way. On the end of the meeting it was confirmed that Defense Minister Oscar Aguad will attend the commission on April 17.

In the ministry led Aguad promised to analyze the proposal of Marino, but explained that a direct contract would be very complex from the administrative. "You have to call an international tender," they argued before a consultation of LA NACION . Near the minister insisted, in addition, that from the first day the submarine was sought "with the best technology", and warned that the search that is underway has advanced technology, similar to that offered by Marino.

With the fueguino senator José Ojeda (Bloc Justicialista) as president and the Buenos Aires deputy Guillermo Montenegro (Change) as vice president, the commission began discussing the internal regulation. But everything changed when they gave the floor to relatives of the 44 crew, present in the Arturo Illia room.

As if they had previously coordinated it, the speakers demanded that the determination of responsibilities be left in the background and demanded a "political commitment" to deepen the search for the crew. "The President has the obligation to look for them and find them, afterwards it will be seen who was at fault," said Jacquelin Monzón, sister of Jorge Monzón, one of the 44 crew members.

That was not all. Many of the family members present specifically asked for Marino's company. The senators and deputies who are part of the bicameral commission decided to mention it urgently.

Within a few minutes, the businessman was exhibiting at the meeting. As in a business presentation, Marino explained that they would use a technology that would allow them to crawl up to 4500 meters deep.

"Things do not disappear," he insisted, with a Caribbean tone and an eccentric look, before a packed room. He explained that in order to start working, he required an advance of 10% of the contract, of US $ 3,800,000. The reward offered by the Government amounts to US $ 5 million. The businessman said that they have a 100% effectiveness and that they had intervened in five incidents, among them, that of the Air France plane, which disappeared in 2009, in the Atlantic Ocean.


Enchanted with the exhibition, several relatives requested that they advance with a direct contract, to avoid delays.

The businessman visited the relatives on Saturday at the Mar del Plata Naval Base and filled them with optimism.

"He promised us that he will find. And showed a human side that are not in the government , " he told La Nacion Marcela Moyano, a relative of Hernán Rodriguez, one of the crew.
 
Mmmmm - 100 days huh? And the penalty for not finding will be - nada, except for the poor families voices.

Sounds like great preparation and marketing by Sr Marino.

Standing by.
 

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I think someone just scammed the Args.

My impression is that the huge explosion recorded means there is no whole hull left to find, just bits, so identification will be impossible.
 
I think someone just scammed the Args.

My impression is that the huge explosion recorded means there is no whole hull left to find, just bits, so identification will be impossible.
Even the bits can identify a wreck. The Thresher wreck was identified by a Steam Generator access plate.
 
The new search for ARA San Juan seems nearer - El Gobierno decision expected v. soon:

<< April 9, 2018 • 21:42

The search for ARA San Juan could be reinforced in the coming days, starting with the hiring of a foreign company with cutting-edge technology, following a meeting held by Defense Minister Oscar Aguad with relatives of the submarine's crew.

"The minister promised to hire a company within 48 hours to start work immediately," said lawyer Lorena Arias, representative of the criminal complaint of 16 families, in dialogue with LN +. Before a consultation of this newspaper, in the portfolio that directs Aguad they did not deny the information, but they said that it is working and that it is a complex process from the administrative.

The request to hire a foreign company intensified after, after the departure of the Russian ship Yantar, there were no specialized foreign ships participating in the search for the submarine. The operation is maintained with local media.

The minister received Arias and Marta Vallejos, sister of Celso Vallejos, one of the 44 crew of ARA San Juan. Graciela Villata, Secretary of Logistics Services, was also in charge of the ministry.

The intention of the relatives is for the ministry to hire the US firm Sea, from the Venezuelan Hugo Marino, who promised to find the submarine in less than a hundred days. The commitment of Aguad, clarified the lawyer, is to close deal with that company or with another that has the same technology.

As he explained to Congress two weeks ago, Marino offers equipment from the Norwegian company Konsberg. They are called AUV torpedoes, which sweep the bottom of the sea, with a depth of up to 1000 meters. That technology was not used in the searches that were done so far, so it generates a lot of excitement among the families of the crew.

The hiring of a foreign company will void the $ 5 million reward that the government launched in February. Marino claims 3.8 million dollars for his work, but is willing to start with a 10 percent advance.

The meeting of the minister with the relatives responds to the desperate request that the relatives made and to the note that the members of the bicameral commission created to investigate the disappearance of the ship , produced on November 15, sent to the Executive Power .

In that note, signed by the legislators of the ruling party and the opposition, Defense was asked not to "spare resources" and "perform the necessary hirings".

Days before, Aguad himself had said that if the legislators had any specific claim, they should do so in writing. The note from the bicameral commission paved the way for the minister to move forward with emergency hiring.

By: Gabriel Sued of La Nacion>>

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2124174...ctivar-la-busqueda-del-submarino-ara-san-juan
 
ARA San Juan shore-side Investigation (one of the three? of those planned/underway)

"Defrauded" declared sacked Admiral Srur (the former chief of the Navy) amid allegations that he had ignored an operation

THE NATION april 12, 2018 • 21:54

The former chief of the Argentine Navy Staff Marcelo Srur testified for 9 hours in the case of the disappearance of the ARA San Juan submarine carried by federal judge Marta Yáñez, from Caleta Olivia.

According to Luis Tagliapietra, a complainant in the case and the father of a crew member, Srur did not know of an operation carried out in the last month of July. In addition, he said "not having knowledge of the patrol that had to be done in that area".

"He said he did not know about the operation he carried out from July 1 to 19, that he was not informed by the COA that in the usual way of operating he should have done it, but also, later, when he sent the reports. Later, he has omitted details, for example, from patrolling tasks, "he informed El Patagónico Tagliapietra, during a fourth intermission of the extensive statement.

He also said that Srur "repeated that he had no knowledge of the patrolling he had to perform in that area."

"We tried to go back in detail all the way from the last communication, the plan of operations, all the previous activities, from that Lezana report of December 2016, what was done and what was not done by virtue of it," he said. the complainant.

Tagliapietra said that when asked about a preliminary report from the advisory commission of the Ministry of Defense, according to which the agony lasted several days, Srur considered it "irresponsible" because there was no evidence to make that conclusion.

The complainant also said that he was surprised by Srur's "predisposition to speak without filters", "very frontal about the responsibilities of all the actors".

As indicated, the former head of the Argentine Navy was "defrauded" by his displacement of the investigation last December [1} and said "they did not give him the opportunity to go thoroughly," and that "he made it very clear that it was a political decision "

Tomorrow will be the turn of captain Gabriel Attis, member of the Submarine Advisory Board and member of the audit.

In addition, Rear Admiral Alejandro Kenny and Gustavo Trama and Captain Jorge Bergallo, members of the Advisory Commission of the Ministry of Defense of the Nation, must appear between April 25 and 26 before Judge Marta Yáñez "for the investigation that carry forward and their sources of consultation ", according to judicial sources.

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2125182...-la-armada-declaro-y-desconocio-una-operacion



[1] Dec 16 2018 - Surr (then Head of their Navy) was sacked by their Defense Minister, Argaud: .https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2092048...o-srur-en-medio-de-la-crisis-por-el-submarino
 
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The Government will define on Monday what company will look for the ARA San Juan

may 25, 2018

Monday will be D-Day. The Ministry of Defense will reveal which of the two foreign companies that remained as finalists will undertake the mission to search for the submarine ARA San Juan , which on November 15 of last year disappeared in the South Atlantic with its 44 crew members on board.

The companies that overcame the preliminary phases and reached the final stage of the direct contracting process are Aquatic Electronic Systems (SEA), conducted by the Venezuelan Hugo Marino, and Ocean Infinity, which participated in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane. Indian Ocean.

One of them will be the one chosen when the evaluation commission, made up of specialized technicians, is sent to the government. On the way were seven other companies, three of them Argentine: the shipping company Bahia Grande, the Sud Americana Company of Dragados and Proios Salvage. The Minister of Defense, Oscar Aguad , will adhere to the recommendation of the specialists.

Beyond the technical proposals, the Venezuelan Marino had promised to find the ARA San Juan in 100 days, which opened the confidence of the family members of the crew. Ocean Infinity, on the other hand, has the backing of having participated in an extreme challenge, such as the location of MH370 flight of Malaysia Airlines, which could delay until August its incursion in the search of the ARA San Juan.

The two offers are on an equal footing, official sources revealed. However, the deadline for the start of the works is one of the requirements included in the specifications. "Once the election is defined, the beginning of the work will not be delayed," assured a source from the ruling party to LA NACION.

Anyway, the resolution that will be known on Monday may be appealed...>>

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2137859...-el-lunes-que-empresa-buscara-el-ara-san-juan
 
<<...THE NATION | POLICY | SUBMARINE ARA SAN JUAN

The Government will define on Monday what company will look for the ARA San Juan

may 25, 2018

Monday will be D-Day. The Ministry of Defense will reveal which of the two foreign companies that remained as finalists will undertake the mission to search for the submarine ARA San Juan .....
But their D-Day = Delay-Day...

may 28, 2018 • 20:42
The Ministry of Defense postponed today the definition of the foreign company that will be entrusted with the search for the submarine ARA San Juan , which disappeared with 44 crew members more than six months ago.

The commission that must give the verdict will take between a week and ten days, which deepened the discomfort of the family members of the crew. At the same time, uncertainty is growing among the companies Aquatic Electronics Systems (SEA), which leads the Venezuelan Hugo Marino , and Ocean Infinity, who participated in the search for the Malaysia Airlines plane . Both came to the final stage of the selection process and await the definition.

"There is a worrying hermetism, it seems that the Ministry of Defense is delaying the times, which opens a question, given that the company that is selected would begin the search during the winter, in the middle of very unfavorable weather conditions," he warned yesterday at LA NACION the lawyer Luis Tagliapietra, father of one of the crew and plaintiff in the court case that is processed in the federal court of Caleta Olivia. Currently, in the area where the last contact with the submarine was made, only the Robinson corvette of the Navy remains.

In the Ministry of Defense they informed this newspaper that today the commission began to evaluate complementary documentation that was required from the bidding companies.

Among other elements, they were asked to present a sworn statement in which they commit themselves to employ people with disabilities to perform the tasks, in a proportion not less than 4% of the personnel affected by the service.
By: Mariano De Vedia

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2138739...a-la-eleccion-de-una-empresa-para-la-busqueda
 
Whoops - The two previous front-runners are out of the frame as a Spanish company is 'provisionally*' selected for this new search. (And they'll likely be using the Argentine Research Vessel ARA AUSTRAL** as their platform).

SEARCH FOR ARA SAN JUAN - June 1, 2018 19:06 José María Costa

Almost a month after the opening of offers for the search of the submarine ARA San Juan , which disappeared 196 days ago, the Spanish company Igeotest Geosciences SL was *pre-awarded to provide high-tech underwater search equipment.

Meanwhile, the hiring of the boat that will carry the equipment and the experts was cancelled and, as LA NACION could have known, a ship of the Argentine Navy will now be used.

"From the analysis of the bids submitted, this Evaluation Committee prepares the following Evaluation Report: It is recommended to fail the Line No. 1 for not having admissible or convenient offers.

It is recommended the allocation of Line No. 2 in favor of the IGEOTEST firm. GEOSCIENCES, SL (ESB17511940) by technically adjusting to what is required, complying with the documentation provided in the Specific Terms and Conditions and, its price is convenient, "says the Evaluation of Offers Assessment , which also details why the proposal was rejected. rest of the bidders, both for the ship and for the search teams.

*"The nature of pre-awarding is we now have to wait three business days to see if someone challenges the winning company," said a high source from the Ministry of Defense to LA NACION, adding that it was decided to use their own vessel after the rejection of the technicians of the eight offers to provide the boat.

Evaluation Committee prepares the following Evaluation Report:
It is recommended to fail the Line No. 1 for not having admissible or convenient offers.
It is recommended the allocation of Line No. 2 in favor of the IGEOTEST firm. GEOSCIENCES, SL (ESB17511940) by technically adjusting to what is required, complying with the documentation provided in the Specific Terms and Conditions and, its price is convenient, "says the Evaluation of Offers Assessment , which also details why the proposal was rejected. rest of the bidders, both for the ship and for the search teams.

Luis Tagliapietra spoke about the company that will look for ARA San Juan 11:50

***The ship of the Navy that would be used for the search is the Austral ARA. As had already been mentioned by Defense Minister , Oscar Aguad, in his speech before the bicameral commission that was created in Congress to follow the step by step of the search. On that occasion, he said that "the ARA Austral hull should be broken (??)" which is under repair until the end of July because of the remotorization since this year marks 50 years since it was built in Germany.

Until its entry into repair, the ARA Austral was used as an oceanographic vessel and was in command of the Naval Hydrography Service and available to the National Council for Scientific and Technical Research (Conicet).

In this way, the two companies that previously sounded as possible winners , after overcoming the preliminary phases of direct contracting, were left on the shelf. They were Aquatic Electronic Systems (SEA), which leads the Venezuelan Hugo Marino and had the approval of most of the relatives of the 44 crew members, and Ocean Infinity, who participated in the search for the Malaysia Airlines plane, missing in the Indian Ocean.>>


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Continued from Above:

The winning proposal had presented a budget of 3.7 million dollars and corresponds to the only Spanish firm that had participated in the certification. The nationalities of the other firms were : four from Argentina, three from the United States and one from Panama.

Meanwhile, the news of the pre-award to the Spanish firm was questioned by some of the relatives who issued a statement addressed to "All the Argentine people and the National State."

"196 days after the disappearance of ARA San Juan, today the Ministry of Defense pre-adjudicates the search of the ARA San Juan to the Spanish company 'Igiotest Geosciencies SL' only for the underwater search (line 2 of the specifications) without granting anyone the line 1

Regarding the ship, this situation generates many doubts and concerns for the family members that we care about and deal with, for which we need urgent explanations and actions from the Ministry of Defense ", the text begins with 5 paragraphs and adds:

" We continue to suffer manipulations that delay the search more and more since we will soon find ourselves with inappropriate meteorology for such a search.

Why is the government so determined to delay and dodge the hiring of a suitable search? It would seem that they do not want to find the submarine.

The document closes: "We demand that President Mauricio Macri sign a DNU, for the hiring of any company trained to search with AUV, enough manipulations, incoherent decisions and lies, we urgently expect a response."
 
Some headlines from La Nacion.

The gist of the most recent is that the Crew's families are not happy with 'contractual delays' holding back the start of new search: https://www.lanacion.com.ar/submarino-ara-san-juan-t62183

(Be aware that google translate frequently mixes the 'he' and she', particularly in this article:

<<... june 22, 2018 • 16:52

The federal judge of Caleta Olivia, Marta Yáñez, knows how to cultivate a low profile. He has been in charge of the investigation about the disappearance of ARA San Juan for more than seven months...>> At https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2146543...bmarino-para-determinar-o-descartar-hipotesis )
 
Agree with Janner - but surprised they haven't (yet) released an 'evidential' photo of some sort.

Possibly the wreckage was so bad it has not been done in deferrence to the families.
 

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