Submarine Advisor to MOD Quits

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wet_blobby said:
Yeah, thanks for that, do you want to make a comment or shall I?
Please feel free to make any comments you like. Felt the title was rather self explanitory, albeit failure to mention it was about how to dispose of Nuclear Boats.
We could always sell them to Iran who are in the market for such hardware soon solve our national deficit :wink:
 

chieftiff

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#6
The Govt's current policy is to ignore the advice of it's experts and then fail to adequately explain why.

Nothing wrong with ignoring advice if you can justify it, justification seems to be a tricky concept for them though, I'm thinking of developing a training course entitled "Justifying Governmental Decisions, it's not as hard as it seems" and promoting it throughout local and national govt, I can see a market there.
 
#7
"…The UK currently has a fleet of 27 nuclear submarines.…"

Where did they get that figure from? If its Nuc`s we`ve had, it would be 28 + Astute 29. If its in commision/refit its nowhere near :?
 
#8
Chieftiff - youre spot on with the new course (Justifying Governmental Decisions) reminds me of the mob in the late 70s a new course "Advanced Decision Making" was advertised for Lt.Cdrs and above - hummm!!
 
#9
THe message to all Government advisors from the Government seems to be "We hear what your saying,now go away and keep quiet"
 
#11
wet_blobby said:
Yeah, thanks for that, do you want to make a comment or shall I?
You seem to have failed to notice that Trelawney is subbing for Soleil, and posting newsworthy links without trying to inflict an opinion on us. I thought Beenzontoste was being overly harsh, but he may have a point.

Anyway, back to the story, wtf is an 'environmental sociologist'?
 
#12
It's funny how they were quite willing to accept the advice from the fee's office though wasn't it.

Therefore proving that they had done nothing wrong, it was within the rules etc. :roll:
 
#13
Sorry if I seem to be thick, but 'Dr Hunt, a specialist in environmental sociology ' I am not sure where her area of expertise would come into play when chopping up Nuc boats, so as far as I can see no great loss.
 

chieftiff

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#14
mikh said:
Sorry if I seem to be thick, but 'Dr Hunt, a specialist in environmental sociology ' I am not sure where her area of expertise would come into play when chopping up Nuc boats, so as far as I can see no great loss.
Remember communication? The key to good leadership etc etc.

Might be kind of handy to have an environmental sociologist on your team when you're talking about disposing of a significant amount of very nasty shit on someone's doorstep? Stakeholder management is not the govt's area of renowned success in the past.

Submarine Dismantling Project steering group
 
#15
sparkerbuntingnowcis said:
It's funny how they were quite willing to accept the advice from the fee's office though wasn't it.

Therefore proving that they had done nothing wrong, it was within the rules etc. :roll:
Nope if the fees office got it wrong Mr Speaker Martin would put the fees office right for them. Approved by the fees office meant little more than they had paid the claim.
 
#16
Fair do's Chieftiff, but the MoD will hand it off to a PR Firm/Spin doctor when they are ready to roll it out anyway.

On checking your link, I recognised a fair few of the names on there (living close to Sellafield, and through a previous employer) and they are the right people for the job. However 'environmental sociology' is less about communication than studying the interplay between, social organisations, the environment and social behavior. So I assume she was on board to give an indication of how people will react to the boats being sliced and diced in their areas.

Most socioligists that I have met have been hand wringing, bleeding heart leberals and card carrying members of the CND (not that I have knowingly come in to contact with many of them)
 

chieftiff

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#17
mikh said:
Fair do's Chieftiff, but the MoD will hand it off to a PR Firm/Spin doctor when they are ready to roll it out anyway.

On checking your link, I recognised a fair few of the names on there (living close to Sellafield, and through a previous employer) and they are the right people for the job. However 'environmental sociology' is less about communication than studying the interplay between, social organisations, the environment and social behavior. So I assume she was on board to give an indication of how people will react to the boats being sliced and diced in their areas.

Most socioligists that I have met have been hand wringing, bleeding heart leberals and card carrying members of the CND (not that I have knowingly come in to contact with many of them)
The sad thing, as ever, is it's probably about money. I was at a capital project fairly recently where the project manager explained to me it was worth a couple of million quid for them to demonstrate that no newts had been harmed in the making of the plant, note "demonstrate"
 
#18
Chieftiff, I have 'heard' of more than one construction project that have had a number of people 'collecting specimens' in the twilight hours just prior to the site being inspected for protected species.
 
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