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Speed Cameras and there result on drinking & driving.

lamptramp63 said:
.................. stuck in traffic a bike filtering to the front of the queue annoys some ..............

In London, it's some of these bikers that cause the problems, not by 'filtering' but by weaving in and out (at some speed in some cases) of the queue to get to the front.
In the building where I work, it overlooks a very busy crossroads, and some of the verbal exchanges between car drivers and bikers do get very vitriolic, to say the least.
Having said that, the worst drivers here are the bus divers, particularly the bendybus, and cabbies and white van drivers, who seem to think that they own the roads.
As a driver myself, I try to keep an eye open for all on the open road, but some of the bikers appear to think that they are not subject to the speed limits - perhaps it should be considered that a refresher driving/riding course be made compulsory to all vehicle operators at regular intervals - with all other restrictions being placed on us, this cannot be too far off into the future perhaps ?
 
lamptramp63 said:
Must agree with Flagwaver, too many motorists do not see or totaly ignore bikers,I was lucky to be Police trained and served 16 y as a bike cop, during this time even when going to a RTA with Blues and Siren I was T boned by an ignorant bitch who pulled from the stationary traffic into my path and it was goodbye to another polis beemer. As previously mentioned Drivers cause the majority of accidents. I Know when stuck in traffic a bike filtering to the front of the queue annoys some but the answer is get a bike ( they are better trained as a bike licence is hard to obtain) and get there quicker even by sticking to the speed limits.As for cameras they are a Cash Cow for the Police/Local Authority ,they have no safety value,do not detect more serious motoring offences and have no discetion regarding time of day ,weather or traffic conditions etc.Traffic Patrols in Strathclyde are rare nowadays as the TD has been halved in strengh over the years from aprox 10% of the force to less than 5%.

I understand your point I used to cycle to work every day, and if you think a big bike is invisible try a push bike. Having said that there are many cyclists that are the cause of their own misfortune, as are I'm afraid many bikers. There was the one who sat 5 feet from the back of my car in the blind spot following me through the lake district for several miles, there are the ones that regularly veave through heavy traffic who only escape because the average car driver sees then coming and keeps out of their way, there are the ones you meet coming round the corner trying desparately to get back onto their side of the road on what shold be quiet country roads certainly going faster than is safe even if they are below the limit. There are certainly some police areas where they are seeing a rise in the proportion of self induced bike fatalities.

I know there are plenty of pratts in cars and vans, but bikers are not all perfect or innocent, and to suggest there would be no accidents involving bikers if other road users kept out of their way is just arrogance. The very arrogance that is killing some bikers.
 

slim

War Hero
I started my motoring life at the age of 16 on two wheels. I didn't bother with a car licence until I was 23. However I consider my years as a motorcyclist taught me a lot about road craft and a lot more about vulnerability. It's amazing how many car drivers do not seem to be aware of those on two wheels (motorcycles and bicycles) the normal excuse is "Sorry I didn't see you".
I believe that everyone should spend at least six months riding a moped before being allowed anywhere near a car.
 
slim said:
I started my motoring life at the age of 16 on two wheels. I didn't bother with a car licence until I was 23. However I consider my years as a motorcyclist taught me a lot about road craft and a lot more about vulnerability. It's amazing how many car drivers do not seem to be aware of those on two wheels (motorcycles and bicycles) the normal excuse is "Sorry I didn't see you".
I believe that everyone should spend at least six months riding a moped before being allowed anywhere near a car.
Exactly ,admitted some bikers are the cause of their own demise as modern bikes have race like acceleration and top speed,some riders forget the throttle goes two ways. The strange thing today is that a lot of the deceased are born again bikers or 40+ who now have the cash for the rich mans toy. Their relative inexperiance and the high power machine can cause the rider to freeze when an unexpected hazard occurs.
I do believe the car driving test should be bought more onto line of todays bike test then perhaps general driving standards would improve. The IAM instruction for both 2&4 wheels would be to everyones advatage
 
slim said:
I started my motoring life at the age of 16 on two wheels. I didn't bother with a car licence until I was 23. However I consider my years as a motorcyclist taught me a lot about road craft and a lot more about vulnerability. It's amazing how many car drivers do not seem to be aware of those on two wheels (motorcycles and bicycles) the normal excuse is "Sorry I didn't see you".
I believe that everyone should spend at least six months riding a moped before being allowed anywhere near a car.

There is a lot of merit in your suggestion, though I can see some problems in actually ensuring they actually got the required experience. The ones who did it would of course benefit, but unfortunately the ones who found out how to avoid it are the ones who really need the experience.
 

Pirellibelli

Midshipman
sussex2 said:
Pirellibelli said:
I've been driving for 30 years and have nil pints on my licence and never have. I probably won't either, maybe I've been lucky. The reason for this is that I drive within the law. If you speed then you deserve to get points and a fine and if you speed you always speed.

On the subject of speed cameras, I'm not a huge fan and I suspect that a small number are placed with the intention of gaining revenue. However, the vast majority are placed in locations where there have been a high number of serious injuries and fatalities, caused primarily by speed.

As for policing the roads, when was the last time you saw Traffic Police patrolling the motorways and major routes? You will be hard pressed because this Government have reduced the numbers over the years and want them getting away from their core roles. You will find them in towns and cities attending anything from domestics to burglaries in progress and anything else that needs addressing.

Unforunately, cameras don't catch dangerous or reckless driving, impaired
or disqualified drivers which Traffic Police can.

So to prevent yourself losing your licence, slow down and be safe.

You drive within the law all the time? Not ever, never inch across a speed limit.
Never cheekily park to nip into a shop?
Such willpower is to be admired I suppose.

I get my kicks driving a T5 at 155mph on the motorway in uniform.....ofcourse I drive within the posted speed limits, I'm not above the law you know! :tp:
 

slim

War Hero
Pirellibelli said:
sussex2 said:
Pirellibelli said:
I've been driving for 30 years and have nil pints on my licence and never have. I probably won't either, maybe I've been lucky. The reason for this is that I drive within the law. If you speed then you deserve to get points and a fine and if you speed you always speed.

On the subject of speed cameras, I'm not a huge fan and I suspect that a small number are placed with the intention of gaining revenue. However, the vast majority are placed in locations where there have been a high number of serious injuries and fatalities, caused primarily by speed.

As for policing the roads, when was the last time you saw Traffic Police patrolling the motorways and major routes? You will be hard pressed because this Government have reduced the numbers over the years and want them getting away from their core roles. You will find them in towns and cities attending anything from domestics to burglaries in progress and anything else that needs addressing.

Unforunately, cameras don't catch dangerous or reckless driving, impaired
or disqualified drivers which Traffic Police can.

So to prevent yourself losing your licence, slow down and be safe.

You drive within the law all the time? Not ever, never inch across a speed limit.
Never cheekily park to nip into a shop?
Such willpower is to be admired I suppose.

I get my kicks driving a T5 at 155mph on the motorway in uniform.....ofcourse I drive within the posted speed limits, I'm not above the law you know! :tp:

Of course police officers are not above the law. However one newspaper (sorry I can't remember which one) recently published figures for the number of police who broke the law but were not prosecuted.
Suppose it's perks of the job.
Bit like high court judges :pukel:
 
Pirellibelli said:
sussex2 said:
Pirellibelli said:
I've been driving for 30 years and have nil pints on my licence and never have. I probably won't either, maybe I've been lucky. The reason for this is that I drive within the law. If you speed then you deserve to get points and a fine and if you speed you always speed.

On the subject of speed cameras, I'm not a huge fan and I suspect that a small number are placed with the intention of gaining revenue. However, the vast majority are placed in locations where there have been a high number of serious injuries and fatalities, caused primarily by speed.

As for policing the roads, when was the last time you saw Traffic Police patrolling the motorways and major routes? You will be hard pressed because this Government have reduced the numbers over the years and want them getting away from their core roles. You will find them in towns and cities attending anything from domestics to burglaries in progress and anything else that needs addressing.

Unforunately, cameras don't catch dangerous or reckless driving, impaired
or disqualified drivers which Traffic Police can.

So to prevent yourself losing your licence, slow down and be safe.

You drive within the law all the time? Not ever, never inch across a speed limit.
Never cheekily park to nip into a shop?
Such willpower is to be admired I suppose.

I get my kicks driving a T5 at 155mph on the motorway in uniform.....ofcourse I drive within the posted speed limits, I'm not above the law you know! :tp:

Having had some pretty extensive training myself I can tell you that you must at times slip, even momentarily, over a posted speed limit; the momentary innattention that can have you caught by a speed camera, whilst latent bad driving cannot be detected by a speed camera.
The judicious use of speed can, as you well know, help you keep decent separation from other traffic and the all important safety-space around your vehicle.
Even a car such as a Citroen C4 equipped with a speed limiting device has a certain amount of lee way on the speed you dial in. As indeed can any form of transport.
I completely agree that the innapropriate use of speed is the largest cause of collisions (I don't call them accidents) on the road; irrespective as to whether that speed is within a posted limit or not.
I am not sure it is wise to admit that you get your kicks doing 155mph in a Volvo in uniform, you'll have the green lobby after you!
 
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