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Some old (ish) aerial pics of Dev & Plymouth Sound

Dusty70

War Hero
No need to get snotty mate - what confused me was the hulk of Eagle anchored in the channel and not up the trot
 

powers2

Midshipman
Snottyness is not in my nature but as a Devonport researcher I will always try to correct errors relating to the Naval base.
Regrettably, in view of your latest post I have to point out a further anomaly as it’s clear that you believe that the hulk of HMS Eagle is in the ‘channel’ and not ‘up the trot’ which is, I’m afraid, totally incorrect. The photo shows Devonport’s West Mud trot opposite South Yard with HMS Eagle on N2 where she remained until leaving for the breakers in October 78. She would have been some hazard in the ‘channel’! Sorry to raise the issue but I’m sure you’ll agree that for the sake of accuracy it needs to be corrected. I’m sure you will also appreciate that no offence is intended.
Returning to the photo, it was taken just after 1700 hours on 5/4/78 as HMS Ark Royal left Devonport on her last commission. A few minutes later she would leave the river and enter Plymouth Sound at the beginning of her travels. Regards.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I remember the Eagle being there, I was on the Rusty B and ourselves, Hermes and the Ark didn't have much clearance going round the corner.

I've always known that area as the Hamoaze.
 

powers2

Midshipman
The Hamoaze is the name given to the tidal stretch of the river Tamar from its confluence with the river Lynher in the north, to Plymouth Sound in the south. Within its boundaries, there were many trots including the West Mud moorings which were once regularly occupied for long periods by numerous RFA and RN vessels, the best known of which were HMS Eagle and HMS Ark Royal.
Devonport HMS Eagle and ARK ROYAL 5 April 1978 6.jpgI took this particular photo just a few minutes after my previous submission which gives a better idea of the West Mud area. Regards
 

Wightsparker

War Hero
How far from Devil's Point is that? Only reason for asking is that I understand HMS Eagle damaged a propeller coming into Plymouth.
 

powers2

Midshipman
An interesting subject. She grounded on approach to the naval base in the vicinity of Devil's Point on 9/10/70. Her Captain and Navigating officer plus the acting Queen's Harbourmaster were court martialled even though it was established that one of the main navigational buoys in Plymouth Sound had moved a considerable distance from where it should have been. Tough justice maybe?

Regarding the picture, the distance from HMS Ark Royal's bow to Devil's Point is almost exactly 1 mile. Regards.
 

Chris P

War Hero
I believe it did the Nav some good as he lost seniority and had been passed over for three rings, but subsequently got his third ring after all. I was 899 embarked at the time.
 

Union Jack

Lantern Swinger
An interesting subject. She grounded on approach to the naval base in the vicinity of Devil's Point on 9/10/70. Her Captain and Navigating officer plus the acting Queen's Harbourmaster were court martialled even though it was established that one of the main navigational buoys in Plymouth Sound had moved a considerable distance from where it should have been. Tough justice maybe?

Regarding the picture, the distance from HMS Ark Royal's bow to Devil's Point is almost exactly 1 mile. Regards.
It certainly would appear so, with some more information here from the subsequent Rear Admiral Robertson's obituary in the Daily Telegraph dated 17 April 2012:

"Eagle was undergoing a refit, and Robertson applied his energy to getting her to sea; but on returning to Plymouth after trials, her starboard outer propeller struck a rock and he was court-martialled. The trial heard that the Ashe buoy was out of its charted position, and Robertson was reprimanded but retained his command. Although he took the blame with dignity, he always resented not having been told that the buoyage system had been changed."

Tough justice indeed.

Jack
 

fishhead

War Hero
It certainly would appear so, with some more information here from the subsequent Rear Admiral Robertson's obituary in the Daily Telegraph dated 17 April 2012:

"Eagle was undergoing a refit, and Robertson applied his energy to getting her to sea; but on returning to Plymouth after trials, her starboard outer propeller struck a rock and he was court-martialled. The trial heard that the Ashe buoy was out of its charted position, and Robertson was reprimanded but retained his command. Although he took the blame with dignity, he always resented not having been told that the buoyage system had been changed."

Tough justice indeed.

Jack
I know very little about the navigation of ships/boats when entering or leaving harbour but I do know you should never rely on a buoy being exactly where it is expected to be. Your position should be ascertained from fixing or other navigational aids.
 

powers2

Midshipman
Re Chris P’s above post.
Very interesting, thanks for the update. They do say that every cloud has a silver lining.

Re Union Jack’s above post.
Likewise, very interesting snippet, thanks for providing. Easy to understand the Captain’s feeling as he probably knew that a similar occurrence involving HMS Ark Royal some eight years earlier resulted in the eventual exoneration of Ark’s Captain and Navigator after both were initially found guilty at Courts Martial. On a brighter note, his conviction obviously didn’t hinder his rise to Admiral.
Regards.
 

powers2

Midshipman
Devil's Point, Plymouth, where HMS Eagle came to grief in 1970. No such drama this day as HMS Hermes makes her way up to Devonport some eight years later.

Photo taken by my late mother. Regards.HMS Hermes Plymouth 1978                   103.jpg
 

powers2

Midshipman
An aerial shot of the northern end of the naval base taken just over 40 years ago.

Devonport north.jpg Lower centre, the new Submarine Refit Complex and its giant overhead refuelling crane nearing completion.

Right centre, HMS Drake barracks with the parade ground reduced to car park status alongside the old Field Gun training strip.

Left centre, the original Weston Mill Lake jetty (just a raised walkway into the creek) with nothing to indicate its eventual transformation into a home for future big ships such as HMS Ocean. Further up the creek a large portion of reclaimed land has been created around and beyond the GWR’s ‘Shaky Bridge’ for future development. Regards.
 

Lemacque

Midshipman
An aerial shot of the northern end of the naval base taken just over 40 years ago.

View attachment 57174 Lower centre, the new Submarine Refit Complex and its giant overhead refuelling crane nearing completion.

Right centre, HMS Drake barracks with the parade ground reduced to car park status alongside the old Field Gun training strip.

Left centre, the original Weston Mill Lake jetty (just a raised walkway into the creek) with nothing to indicate its eventual transformation into a home for future big ships such as HMS Ocean. Further up the creek a large portion of reclaimed land has been created around and beyond the GWR’s ‘Shaky Bridge’ for future development. Regards.
Is that a floating dock (with O Boat)? I knew Faslane had one, I didn't know they used to have one here
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
The floating dock was for O boats, AFD 59 IIRC, floating canteen was moored up near it, you could get a couple of tinnies at standeasy there :)

The refuelling crane w was a massive white elephant that was never used.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Also built a big garbo incinerator, which really impressed the locals up on the hill
Woman at work wouldn't speak to me for ages as I wouldn't sign the petition to stop it being built (she lives near the end of shaky bridge)

When she asked me why I wouldn't sign I said they might ending up building it in my back garden and I'm more than happy for it to be in yours.

it was a mega flounce out of the office with much slamming of doors :D
 

Lemacque

Midshipman
Woman at work wouldn't speak to me for ages as I wouldn't sign the petition to stop it being built (she lives near the end of shaky bridge)

When she asked me why I wouldn't sign I said they might ending up building it in my back garden and I'm more than happy for it to be in yours.

it was a mega flounce out of the office with much slamming of doors :D
lol, I remember the anger. Funny how the houses are all being demolished at the mo
 
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