So the Irish ARE as thick as the jokes suggest.

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  1. It looks like a yes in their referendum on Europe.

    If it isn't ratified by the time Conservatives get into power, Cameron has promised we WILL have a referendun, so obviouly they will all now rush to get it ratified before our elections next year.

    You don't have to understand it to make the choice between yes and no, if Gordon Brown and his elite club of ******* are for it then we know that it is detrimental to this country and people as every single thing these cnuts have done since 1997 has brought the country and it's population down.

    Can anyone think of one single thing good this government has done for the country which means 'us'?
     
  2. It does amaze me how shortsighted people can be. Perhaps that is how "we" have become molded into a me me me society with instant gratification.
    So yes, the Paddies do deserve their reputation then.
     
  3. Isnt it great all those years of pain, grief and killing to achieve their sovereignty from us Brits, and subsequent problems in NI, now mean nothing as they say yes EU bribes. At least they got a referendum. How ironic soon their president (EU president) will be a war mongering British Socialist, they really are stupid in the emerald isle.
     
  4. Can anyone think of one single thing good this government has done for the country which means 'us'?

    Yup,

    They have made sure that the Tories will win the next election. :)
     
  5. Does make you wonder if Call Me Dave's crowd will do much differently over the EU Treaty. He may be lucky in the referendum issue "going away" if the Czechs get bullied into ratifying the treaty before the general election next year; as he has said that the Tories will go with the general flow.

    Angry Mac - welcome back. Fcuk, that wasn't meant to be poetic at all.
     
  6. The concept of asking the same question until you get the answer you want seems to work well........and we will end up playing the same game when our 'democratic?' turn comes round

    The Irish are not stupid, they just want the bread buttered on all sides and edges.....the EU has been the Golden Goose to them

    The sad thing is that we sit back and do nothing......look at the big picture, and see who is in place now and who is teed up for the future in the EU....it's just another nest of corruption
     
  7. The phrase being bandied around by senior politicians is "post democratic". Read into that what you will, but I know what it means.

    Big :-(
     
  8. Mull over this little lot and tell me it's all bad.

    1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
    2. Low mortgage rates
    3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
    4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
    5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
    6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
    7. Best-ever primary school results
    8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
    9. Employment is at its highest level ever
    10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
    11. 85,000 more nurses
    12. 32,000 more doctors
    13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
    14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
    15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
    16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
    17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
    18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
    19. Restored city-wide government to London
    20. Record number of students in higher education
    21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
    22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
    23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
    24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
    25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
    26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
    27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
    28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
    29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
    30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
    31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
    32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
    33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
    34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
    35. Banned fox hunting
    36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
    37. Free TV licences for over-75s
    38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
    39. Waiting times for operations halved
    40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
    41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
    42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
    43. Free eye test for over 60s
    44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
    45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
    46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
    47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
    48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
    49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
    50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school

    Here are some more that I can think of:

    51. Lowered the service requirement from 2 years to 1 year in unfair dismissal cases.
    52. Right to recognition for trade unions after CAC ballot.
    53. Strengthening the disability discrimination laws.
    54. Changing the burden of proof in sex, race, disability discrimination cases in favour of the claimant.
    55. Rights for part-time workers, temporary workers, working time directive.
    56. Civil partnerships
    57. Partner pension rights for gay workers in public sector pension schemes.
    59. £9m union learning fund.
     
  9. As someone from an Irish Heritage can I just pass on a message from most of the UK,you are Fecking idiots to pass a law that gives you Tony Blair as your effective Head of State.
    How can you be so stupid?Sheer greed has overcome the natural Irish,much admired in the world,love of identity.
    I was going to cancel my Irish holiday to see kin but they feel the same as I do,big companies in the cities have bought your souls and you should be ashamed.
    Enjoy Blair and his lady?,you will soon be a sick of them as we were.

    I am not one to look back but I certainly wish I had taken the chance,when offered by the USA,to join the USA navy on demob and after two years get automatic citizenship in the USA.
    I turned it down due to Vietnam and married with two babies but I sort of think the USA NAvy was never in too much danger out there.Missed my chance I reckon.
    Would have missed the grinning years of Blair and that was worth two years in Vietnam.
     
  10. In resposne to Finky's post I must say that all these things have cost the UK money. Where are the acheivements that have actually brought a load of wonga into the UK?

    And:

    1. "sustained low inflation" Wrong. Low CPI and fairly low RPI, but the supply of money was increasing drastically, that is true inflation. Also reducing prices for Chinese consumer goods, but all essentials apart from clothing going through the roof.
    2. "Low mortgage rates" Hence the housing bubble. Now most people just can't get a mortgage.
    3. "Minimum Wage" Nice way to reduce employment. Government should stay out of contracts as far as possible.
    4. "Record police numbers" filling in record numbers of forms, doing less useful work
    5. "Cut overall crime by 35 per cent" By dubious statistical methods, in a time when crime was naturally falling due to the economy
    6. "Record levels of literacy and numeracy". A straight lie, unless you redefine literacy and numeracy.
    7. "Best-ever primary school results" by dropping standards
    8. "Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008" with nothing to show for it. A terrible thing to admit, not a boast.
    9. "Employment went to its highest level ever" by the government spending other people's money and borrowing against future wealth, and by loose fiscal policy. Unfortunately most of the jobs went to immigrants, so the number not working is also a record.
    10. "Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries" so encouraging political practices that will condemn those countries to years more poverty. A terrible idea.
    11. 12. and 13."85,000 more nurses, 32,000 more doctors, Brought back matrons" yet still no improvement in experience of the NHS, still thousands die of preventable infections.
    14. & 15. "Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament, Devolved power to Welsh Assembly" increasing teh democratic unbalance, and making the 85% of UK citizens in England second-class citizens. An attempt to gerrymander.
    16. "Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time" so? They could have had leave. Everyone has a right to 4 weeks leave a year. Why should someone get more by procreating?
    17. "NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice" The only experience I have of this is awful, and very frustrating for a rather unwell friend.
    18. "Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year" that's not a Labour boast. That is the generous people of the UK.
    19. "Restored city-wide government to London" and allowed corruption in its heart. OF course originally it was an attempt at gerrymandering, it just didn't work.
    20. "Record number of students in higher education" doing underwater basket weaving degrees, record numbers dropping out and no jobs for graduates mean the government now wants to bail them out. We don't need more graduates.
    21. "Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997". So why is my money being given to someone else just because they have decided to reproduce?
    22. "Created Sure Start to help children from low income households" all the while reducing the prospects of such children to the worst they have had in decades
    23. "Introduced the Disability Rights Commission" another quango. More unelected "rights" mobs.
    24. "£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s" yet you opposed gas and electricity privatisation, which both drastically cut the price of energy. If you hadn't decimated pensions and savings then old people would be better off anyway.
    25. "On course to exceed Kyoto target" So? For one that is only because manufacturing has moved to other countries, now using energy on our behalf. For another Kyoto is irrelevant. It is based on junk science. Climate change happens. Humans didn't start it, there is nothing we can do to stop it.
    26. "Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland" due to the Conservatives having actually won the war, agains the wishes of some of your followers. You then gave a lot away so we now have terrorists and murederers in the NI Assembly. Nice.
    27. "Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools" and worse education. Numbers are not everthing.
    28. "All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday". That's EU law. It is also an undue interference with agreements between employers and employees. As a manager, that right is moot, because it would be impossible for me take that much. When self employed it was also moot, I didn't want to take it as I wouldn't earn.
    29. & 30. "A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty, 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty" meaningless. You also put a million pensioners into relative poverty. It all depends on teh definition of "relative poverty", which is arbitary.
    31. "Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents". Yes, more of my money. You took my money and gave it to someone else, with the threat of force if i did not. That is called robbery elsewhere. You have no good reason to do so. If people choose to have children they can look after them themselves.
    32. "Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships" I'll give you civil partnerships. Clause 28 was pure identity politics, and irrelevant at best.
    33. "Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard" don't know about this, can't comment.
    34. "Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales" so increasing inequality in the UK.
    35. "Banned fox hunting" a nasty, class attack, wiht no basis in rational reasoning, science or real animal welfare. However it has rejuvinated hunting, and will be easy to repeal, so I'll give you that.
    36. "Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution" continuing a trend from well before you had anyhting to do with it. You can't take credit for that!
    37. "Free TV licences for over-75s" and damned expensive ones for everyone else, to pay for pro-Labour propaganda
    38. "Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals" in this country. Actually that harms animal welfare, as we had high standards, but you never let that get in the way of politics did you? Why not ban products that have been tested on animals after a certain date from sale? Why not regulate and improve fur farming?
    39. "Waiting times for operations halved" but you have to wait before you get on the waiting list.
    40. Will give you the free bus travel.
    41. "New Deal - helped over a million people into work" briefly, except for those that would have found work anyway and those working in the New Deal office.
    42. "Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started" with more of my money given away for no aparent reason, except to buy you votes.
    43. "Free eye test for over 60s" even if they are rich. Already had them if needed.
    44. "Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less" like when I was a child. Only we got taught well, appropriately to our age and were not obsessively monitored and tested by bureaucracy, which was more important than class sizes.
    45. Will give you the free entry to museums and galleries
    46. "Overseas aid budget more than doubled" and very poorly-targetted, with money going to India and China as well as Middle-Eastern terrorists
    47. "Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives" due primarily to improved medical science. Improvements have been quicker in the rest of Western Europe.
    48. "Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent" because they have signed off the dole, or gone on incapacity benefit. They haven't actually got jobs.
    49. "Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales" more of my money spent on other people for no obvious reason.
    50. "Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school" not bad, but my parents could afford fruit, because taxes were lower and they thought fruit was important.
     
  11. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    4. Police Officer numbers are a lot lower I suspect, PCSO numbers are higher, they patrol in pairs, it would be more cost efficient to employ one PC.
    5. Crime stats. show crime is reduced, stats as we know can be made to show whatever the publisher of the same wants.

    This government has done more to destroy traditions that most of us were proud of and at the same time destroy the union of the UK.

    Blairs and the Kinnocks before them have their snouts firmly in the trough paid for by the taxpayer.

    Any government that condones Mandalson's crimes and promote him into a position of great power should be shunned by the electorate.
     
  12. finknottle said:

    "Mull over this little lot and tell me it's all bad.

    .....
    3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35"

    .....

    etc"


    Finkers, £5.35??? You are well out of date.

    Main rate for workers aged 22 and over: Up to 30 Sept 2009 £5.73. Now, from 1 October 2009 it is at £5.80.

    So employers now HAVE to pay that rate or more. Not what minimum workers are worth, not what the 'market' will stand.

    And who pays? The Customer, of course; so EVERYONE's costs increase!!



    A nice big long list but try and get SOME facts right, I cannot be bothered checking the rest.

    Or by countering with what they have done us down for - but I bet that it would be a far bigger list than yours, Amigo!!
     
  13. No, the Irish may be thick, but the UK are thicker.

    Why?

    Because the UK government promised a referendum, and then backtracked. And the UK population rolled over and let the government get away with it.

    At least the Irish had a say. OK, so they said yes second time around, but who are we - the UK - to complain when we had no say at all?

    Flymo. Well said, sir.
     
  14. My we have been busy :) putting your spin on things, you may notice that some items on the list epitomise the meaning of socialism, helping those less fortunate than yourself.


    It seems to be a forgone conclusion that New Labour will not win the next election a fact that should make you all happy. Personally I don't give a shite, I have no mortgage and no debts. I do hope you will all be extremely happy when the Tories implement their master plan. I suspect some of you may be too young to remember the 18 years of Tory misrule so good luck you will probably need it.


    BreathingOutOnTheWayUp, Introduced the minimum wage, I don't think you need a 1st from Cambridge to know it has gone up annually. :)
     
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  16. All those wonderful things we supposedly enjoy and heavily paid for.....Why does it not feel like it??

    Country bankrupt (don't blame everyone else), meandering through unaware of their responsibilities and without principle

    Usual story, blame anyone else except themselves. They had to sack (under pressure) those who didn't have any integrity....yet here they are back again, bold as brass

    'Liebour' drag us into the pits and the next lot (whoever?) have to dig us out and are roundly accused of taxing us to death

    We must change the way we chose these people.....our, our childrens, and grand-childrens quality of life depend on all this
     
  17. And a pretty convincing figure as well, for essentially no concessions on the substance.

    It's a pretty good demonstration of just how pointless referenda actually are.

    I think it's highly unlikely that there will be a referendum in the UK, Cameron has been a bit more equivocal recently. He's quite rightly identifying that there are more important things to be worrying about. He's burned out a lot of his political capital in Europe with this creation of the far right grouping in the European Parliament and there is a growing realisation that he's unlikely to be able to either renegotiate our position in any meaningful way.

    That's quite a statement, but it reinforces my view on referenda. If we want direct democracy then we also have to arm people with the information to make a decision.
     
  18. Unfortunately due to a lack of education there are a great many in this third world country of ours who are not intelligent enough to act on such information.
     
  19. Leave the Midlands out of this argument! :wink: :wink:
     
  20. slim, the sad fact is that none of our choice of political parties are up to the mark we lurch from one gang of crap incumbents to the next. The expenses scandal showed them all for what they are. It is my opinion that we need a completely new party that will put the people of the United Kingdom first but as there is not one waiting in the wings we are all doomed.

    I agree that those who have prudently saved a few bob during their working lives have been treated very shabbily with the derisory interest on they’re saving.

    I see NatWest are now advertising on the telly, adverts that we the taxpayer are funding, a leopard never changes it's spots.
     

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