Navy Net - Royal Navy Community

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

So long F-35? Even the Yanks are finding it expensive

Oil_Slick

War Hero
JSF - Navy Ready To Abandon Ship?
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 1/15/2010 5:17 AM CST
The Navy is not happy with the new joint-service fighter. It's gained weight during development, but more importantly, the Navy isn't sure that the capabilities it provides are what they want to spend more money on. It's tempting to scrap it and go with an alternative, from a company with recent carrier-jet experience. The obstacle is a headstrong Secretary of Defense who's staked his reputation on the joint program, but the signals are clear: the moment he's gone the Navy's going to bail.

Enough about the F-111. What about JSF?

For the service of "loose lips sink ships", the Navy leaked the blandly titled "Joint Programs TOC Affordability" document through more holes than IJN Yamato off Okinawa. This was no baby-seals-type accident. It's a deliberate hit at the highest level.



The key chart is page 10, which shows that - over the lifetime of the fleet - the carrier-based and STOVL JSF versions will cost the Navy 40 per cent more, in total operating costs, than the F/A-18C/Ds and AV-8Bs that they replace. (The older aircraft costs are taken from FY2008 and include a lot of aging-aircraft issues.) This is despite a smaller fleet and fewer flight hours: the new aircraft are expected to cost more than 60 per cent more to fly per hour than their predecessors.

The Navy report suggests that the total cost of the Pentagon's JSF program will be $705 billion in FY2002 dollars, just over twice the figure predicted at the program's inception.

Lockheed Martin and the JSF program office will respond that the Navy figures are conjectural, based on experience with legacy aircraft, and not applicable to the JSF's cutting-edge technology. This matters not a hoot. What matters is that the admirals and senior Navy leaders believe the report is roughly accurate, or it wouldn't be on the street in the first place.

So where are all those billions in extra O&S money going to come from? The answer is "nowhere". When the report states that "JSF will have a significant impact on naval aviation affordability", what it means by "significant" is "about the same as the ten torpedo and seven bomb hits on Yamato."

But wait - there's more. The Navy is not talking exclusively about the F-35B/C. If similar TOC comparisons hold for the F-16, USAF TacAir plans have some challenges ahead. Moreover, the Navy notes an "upward" pressure on the $705 billion - indicating that the program team will be doing well to hold it level.

The Navy is the only US JSF customer with a ready Plan B, in the shape of the Super Hornet. (And GE has developed a thrust boost for the F414 and Boeing has muttered quietly about stealth enhancements.) What would the Navy do about the Marines? That wasn't in the report's terms of reference.

The Navy is not identifying factors behind the per-hour TOC number. However, the JSF is Super Hornet-sized, and bigger than either of the aircraft it replaces. The F-35B includes a complex lift-system full of critical components. And JSF includes stealth technology, which has yet to prove as affordable in service as the engineers promised it would be.

No one presentation or study is definitive, but this latest disclosure places more pressure than ever on the JSF program to perform.



http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blog...&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest
 
Oil_Slick. How's your sense of humour today?

http://www.stratpost.com/saab-offers-naval-gripen-to-india

Saab has been studying the idea of designing a carrier-borne variant since the mid-’90s but the company only decided to launch the Sea Gripen program in the wake of its existing campaigns for the air forces of India and Brazil and the moves by the two countries to build a serious carrier capability, even though at that time there was no formal request from either country.

Still only one donk, though.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
J How long is the interview? Joining the Royal Navy 15
MoD_RSS Supporting international efforts to build Somalia's long term security and stability MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Health Secretary warns of long-term effects of COVID-19 as new film released MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Ensuring long-term stability in the Central African Republic MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Chief Constable commends officers and rewards long service MoD News 0
MoD_RSS British High Commissioner visits Peshawar to underline UK’s long-standing relationship with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa MoD News 0
MoD_RSS The long shadow of deprivation MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Government to help pension schemes seize long-term opportunities MoD News 0
E How long are FATs valid for (Observer) Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 4
MoD_RSS Research study into long-term health impacts of COVID-19 launched in the UK MoD News 0
K Passed medical, what is next and how long should I expect before intake? Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 2
MoD_RSS Multi-billion pound investment as government unveils new long-term plan to tackle flooding MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Supporting LDCs through short and long-term pandemic recovery MoD News 0
MoD_RSS The long and widened road: A500 work finishes ahead of schedule MoD News 0
A What happens after interview stage? How long do you have to wait till you get to HMS Raleigh? Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 13
MoD_RSS UK calls for ‘long term’ approach to prepare for future pandemics at World Bank meeting MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Recovered appeal: land off Station Road, Long Melford, Suffolk (ref: 3214377 - 1 April 2020) MoD News 0
U Has "Chinese Flu" crippled the West long term? Current Affairs 18
H How long is a contract in Royal Navy? Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 3
W How long at sea - pilot / obs The Fleet Air Arm 3
MoD_RSS Peace for both Israelis and Palestinians is long overdue MoD News 0
P How long before should you prepare for the PJFT? Joining the Royal Navy 20
soleil D. Telegraph: "Royal Navy Adjusts Rules To Allow Rastafarians To Keep Long Hair And Beards" Bases / Shore Est 0
MoD_RSS Recovered appeal: land at the Long Shoot, land north of Greendale Road, Nuneaton CV11 6EU (ref: 3217924 - 4 November 2019) MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Launch of #BritsInColombia - A little local knowledge goes a long way MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Royal visit marks long-standing dialogue with Japan MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Month-long crackdown to improve road safety on M62 MoD News 0
MoD_RSS £1 million to boost haulage sector and combat long-term unemployment MoD News 0
MoD_RSS The Quinquennial Review – GAD takes the long view MoD News 0
A How long are medical assistant deployments for submariners ? Joining the Royal Navy 3
MoD_RSS Speech: Escalation is not in the long-term interest of any of the parties MoD News 0
MoD_RSS News story: The Long Paw of the Law - Meet Dstl's Police Dogs MoD News 0
S How long? Joining the Royal Navy 12
MoD_RSS Speech: Delivering long term stability to the Sahel region MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: Spinning experiment may help long stay hospital patients MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: 200ft-long motorway bridge bites the dust MoD News 0
O How long is the professional training durring the accelerated appreticeship scheme(Air engineering) Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 19
MoD_RSS Press release: Environment Agency day-long sting confirms 11 illegal waste sites MoD News 0
MoD_RSS News story: Long-lasting repairs to stop potholes MoD News 0
Ghost29 How long is wait after security clearance granted before i get a entry date Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 2
MoD_RSS News story: New research on the long-term health of 2 groups of older veterans MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: Justice Secretary David Gauke sets out long-term for justice MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: Foreign Secretary congratulates Greece for voting to resolve long-standing ‘Macedonia’ dispute MoD News 0
MoD_RSS News story: Long-term plan for GCSE computer science confirmed MoD News 0
Maxpowers How long after PJFT can I expect an entry date Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 45
Rum_pot How long can you stay in the royal navy? Joining the Royal Navy 32
MoD_RSS Statement to parliament: Secretary of State's oral statement on the NHS Long Term Plan MoD News 0
MoD_RSS News story: NHS Long Term Plan launched MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: PM: Launch of the NHS Long Term Plan marks an historic step to secure its future MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Press release: £40 million personalised support package for long-term unemployed disabled people launched MoD News 0
Similar threads


















































Top