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Sky News: "Navy Wins Fight For Carriers"

silverfox

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Never in any doubt in my opinion - the political fal out for the jobs etc would have been too great. Of more concern is what is the RN going to have to give to pay for them?

Interesting note from the RAF about the capability of air power over land forces - but delivered from what platform Biggles? I used to lecture the RAF Intermediate Staff Course, and they just couldn't get their heads around the concept of 'no carriers, then no expeditionary air...'
 
I just wonder where that will leave the rest of the surface fleet. Roll on Monday / Tuesday when we will find out more.
 

Seaweed

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That's quite true in this particular case but I used this a an actual example of how one can have an agreement on basing that can be turned upside down at the drop of a hat. Just as allies can cut and run like the Spanish after the Madrid bombings, or a land bridge like the one through the Khyber Pass can't be taken as a given.
 

TimeToJoinUp

War Hero
tommo said:
I love one of the comments asking what the RN has done in the last few conflicts. Nobber

I much prefer this one:

Great! Two large white elephants, floating around the worlds Oceans which present a huge propoganda target for any of our sophisticated future potential foes to sink! Seem to remember that at the start of the Pacific War the R.N had two of its most impressive ships steaming into trouble... They were the HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse.

What the writer fails to comprehend here is that if the battleships had had their carrier cover with them it is likely they would never have been sunk. Ignorance is indeed bliss.
 

Not_a_boffin

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[quote="TimeToJoinUp]
What the writer fails to comprehend here is that if the battleships had had their carrier cover with them it is likely they would never have been sunk. Ignorance is indeed bliss.[/quote]

As the carrier in question was poor old Hermes (sunk round the same time) with a handful of Martlets or Fulmars, I doubt they'd have made much difference against teh threat they were facing.......
 
Aye and the resident RAF fighter squadron (s) in the region were equipped with obsolete Brewster Buffalo aircraft. tim Vigors autobiography has an interesting section about PoW and Repulses sinking and the RAF late arrival.

Aye Hermes was caught making off round the coast with an escort and an Oiler I think. There were many losses in that timeframe including Cornwall and Dorsteshire and each attack was by Japanese air units in huge waves.
 
Scouse_Castaway said:
There were many losses in that timeframe including Cornwall and Dorsteshire and each attack was by Japanese air units in huge waves.

Remind me; were those waves of Japanese all from carriers?

Anyway; "Navy Wins Fight For Carriers" but loses the fight for everything else.
 

off_les_aura

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Topstop said:
off_les_aura said:
Seaweed said:
Yanks may be soon ejected from their base in Kyrgyzstan ..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...sian-backed-parties-poised-to-take-power.html

Worked example of the fragility of depending on other countries for bases.

Agreed, but you can't operate a C17 from a carrier. I think there will always be a requirement for strategic basing.

But you can opperate a Hercky Bird :D

Jesus Sufferin' Fcuk!! Awesome :)
 
The Doolittle raids were an example of hurling too large planes off carriers :p

Fantastic video there Tops. STOL is one of the major perks of aircraft such as the Herc. Bet there were a few soiled pants during that :)
 

dublinclontarf

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off_les_aura said:
Agreed, but you can't operate a C17 from a carrier. I think there will always be a requirement for strategic basing.

For an expeditionary force helis do that. Merlins and Chinooks(can't see Lynx doing much lifting but correct me if I'm wrong). OK they won't get as far as any of the stans but an expeditionary force shouldn't be going in that deep anyway.

And. Flying boats (with wheels).
 
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