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Silent Cabinet .

PerryD

Newbie
I've become aware of an area referred to as a " silent cabinet " in a gun turret .
Can somebody please tell me who made use of it & what it was used for .
The reference is from the IWM book " The War at Sea : 1914-1918 " by Julian Thompson .
 
I've become aware of an area referred to as a " silent cabinet " in a gun turret .
Can somebody please tell me who made use of it & what it was used for .
The reference is from the IWM book " The War at Sea : 1914-1918 " by Julian Thompson .
From memory something like a fighting tech office, or what the MCR/SCC is to the engine rooms, AMRs, etc these days.

It's where the range-finding and fire control was done from in each turret. It was also far from silent (obviously, really, but was compartmentalised off from the rest of the turret so was a least a slightly more "sterile" space than the dirty bangy bit of the operation.
 
I think (I wasn't there I'm only 35...) that they also had Silent Cabinets in the W/T shacks too - where the morse boys could concentrate on sending/receiving without distraction.
 

PerryD

Newbie
Thank you for the answer . I have 14 books on the war at sea during WW1 & none refer to the " silent cabinet " - crazy , most noisy place on the warship .
 

Pierre77

Newbie
Similar question. I'm reading "The Fighting at Jutland" [Fawcett, Hooper editors] and when reference is made to the cordite fire in Lion's Q turret they make numerous references to 'the silent cabinet'. Kinross has already stated that this was the rangefinder room. Plausible, but in 1916 were rangefinders placed above the turret? and why call it the 'silent cabinet'? Please could anyone explain whether 'the silent cabinet' was purely and simply the rangefinder room?

Great uncle was awarded the CGM after Jutland. We do not know which ship he was serving. We think he was a stoker, and we believe that he got the CGM for rescuing swimmers under enemy fire. But then: a stoker manning a whaler? That seems unlikely?
 
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Waspie

War Hero
Similar question. I'm reading "The Fighting at Jutland" [Fawcett, Hooper editors] and when reference is made to the cordite fire in Lion's Q turret they make numerous references to 'the silent cabinet'. Kinross has already stated that this was the rangefinder room. Plausible, but in 1916 were rangefinders placed above the turret? and why call it the 'silent cabinet'? Please could anyone explain whether 'the silent cabinet' was purely and simply the rangefinder room?

Great uncle was awarded the CGM after Jutland. We do not know which ship he was serving. We think he was a stoker, and we believe that he got the CGM for rescuing swimmers under enemy fire. But then: a stoker manning a whaler? That seems unlikely?
Not so unlikely. I knew a chap who served in WW2, CPO Stoker. Awarded the French Croix de Guerre for his efforts. Too long a story for this. But, he also manned a whaler in Portlands saving of HMS Foylebank.

Also, even in my day 60's to 90's stokers often formed part of the Whaler crew. (An observation made after seeing many a helicopter picked out of the oggin by the seaboats crew!!!
 

Salty-Dog

Lantern Swinger
Great uncle was awarded the CGM after Jutland. We do not know which ship he was serving. We think he was a stoker, and we believe that he got the CGM for rescuing swimmers under enemy fire. But then: a stoker manning a whaler? That seems unlikely?
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@Pierre77 Have you tried searching on the London Gazette site? His Citation may be on there.
 

soleil

War Hero
Great uncle was awarded the CGM after Jutland. We do not know which ship he was serving. We think he was a stoker, and we believe that he got the CGM for rescuing swimmers under enemy fire. But then: a stoker manning a whaler? That seems unlikely?

What was his name?
 

Alfacharlie

War Hero
Auxiliary anti-aircraft ship HMS FOYLEBANK, including her construction as a merchant vessel and subsequent conversion detailing the installation of her radar systems and armaments, her posting to Portland in June 1940 and the attack on 4 July 1940 by Stuka dive bombers which resulted in her being sunk, the actions of Leading Seaman J F Mantle during the attack for which he was posthumously awarded the VC, the salvage during the war of her guns and in 1950 the final removal of the wreck from Portland.
Wiki’s ace!
BZ’s
 

Waspie

War Hero
Auxiliary anti-aircraft ship HMS FOYLEBANK, including her construction as a merchant vessel and subsequent conversion detailing the installation of her radar systems and armaments, her posting to Portland in June 1940 and the attack on 4 July 1940 by Stuka dive bombers which resulted in her being sunk, the actions of Leading Seaman J F Mantle during the attack for which he was posthumously awarded the VC, the salvage during the war of her guns and in 1950 the final removal of the wreck from Portland.
Hence why the S/R's mess at Portland was called the Foylebank Mess! The night the Foylebank was attacked was a dedicated mission by the Luftwaffe to remove it from the harbour. Leaving the dockyard and Whiteheads torpedo factory exposed. (NOT from Wiki).
 

Dusty70

War Hero
Great uncle was awarded the CGM after Jutland. We do not know which ship he was serving. We think he was a stoker, and we believe that he got the CGM for rescuing swimmers under enemy fire. But then: a stoker manning a whaler? That seems unlikely?
@Pierre77 Have you tried searching on the London Gazette site? His Citation may be on there.
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All seaboat crews had a stoker in them in case the engine stopped (70,s 80,s 90,s)
 

Waspie

War Hero
@Pierre77 Have you tried searching on the London Gazette site? His Citation may be on there.
All seaboat crews had a stoker in them in case the engine stopped (70,s 80,s 90,s)
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Thanks for the confirmation on that. I was beginning to have doubts or worse! (Age starting to creep in).
 

Dusty70

War Hero
All seaboat crews had a stoker in them in case the engine stopped (70,s 80,s 90,s)

Thanks for the confirmation on that. I was beginning to have doubts or worse! (Age starting to creep in).
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And.....................................a steward or off watch chef as first aider
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
Thanks for the confirmation on that. I was beginning to have doubts or worse! (Age starting to creep in).
And.....................................a steward or off watch chef as first aider
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Brocklesby 1960 at Portland, if the Captain had a bad lunch when day running, he would pipe the whaler away manned completely by the S & S Branch and drop them off outside the breakwater to row home. The only problem was that there was no easy way to raise the boat by the capstan (the only mechanical way) so lower deck was cleared to raise the whaler. Up went the cry of "Balls in hand chance of a life time."
 
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