Shrinking RN

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
Many of us have commented on the ever decreasing strength of the RN and its decreasing ability to maintain the current operational tempo. It looks like this is finally being recognised in the press with today's Telegraph reporting on senior officers' doubts over the RN contributing to a N Korea blockade.

Once again, the lack of reality checks in Whitehall coupled with an overwhelming drive to reduce bottom line costs is returning to to bite us :(
 

DingDong

Lantern Swinger
NAMESIS is shit.

But on the main subject, there are many people high up in the Mob who dream up great ideas to make things better.

E.g. JPA, the Warfare branch and OMs, new uniforms, a fleet HQ in Portsmouth (at the cost of the main dockyard itself) and a new class of destroyer that is so over engineered that it has 50% less weapons that a similar ship of US design. Since when is fuel economy more important than being able to kick the **** out of the enemy??

The ploticians seem hellbent on coloborating with the Europeans, which ultimately means that we get screwed.

Once upon a time you could read Jane's FS and think that we had a decent, large Navy with lots of strength in depth. Now we look like every other European Navy with not much to show. Even the Spanish and Dutch have better ships that were in service way before anyone really believed that the RN was going to get T45.

Makes me cringe - to add insult to injury Desmond Browne comes out to see us to say what a great job meanwhile fat boy Gordon is stripping us to the bone.
 
Over recent months, I've read Mb upon Mb of people whinging about the money "wasted" on Cold War inspired weapons and platforms. Some well timed Oriental sabre rattling suddenly concentrates our minds on how big and scary the World is. Immediately, AA and ASW capability emerges as a required asset. Surprise sur-bloody-prise!

The RN has been starved of resources to sustain the Army in its various current roles. Similar is probably true of the Nimrod force, that was originally tasked for maritime reconnaissance; not grubbing for snakes in the sandpit nor providing a land comms extension. We would now be hard pressed to field a credible contribution. Even though the N Korean Navy is principally a coastal defence force, they have sufficient SSKs to make their presence felt. At this stage, of course, we don't know what indirect threat there will be from China. How apt to say that we live in interesting times.

Let's hope that the 1st Sea Lord is as frank and honest as the CGS has proved to be
 
DingDong said:
NAMESIS is shit.

Thats a bit harsh, are you saying that a lot of what I have trained for during the last 2 years is worthless?

I guess it depends what you use it for, but for us to seems to do the job.
 

DingDong

Lantern Swinger
without going to far into the weeds, it tells us what we already know. That merchant ships generally ply the oceans between recognised ports - imagine that? But then add to the equation, sending this information off every 4 hours so that people back home can confirm that everything over 500gt does in fact travel between recognised ports (all of this is open source by the way) how exactly are we doing anything new??

We know each other by the way
 

DingDong

Lantern Swinger
At least with a bargain basement flat top around we can get chaff steel away hahahaha good luck. i hear that factor 50,000 is quite good against a nuclear blast!!!!

Just watch team america a couple of times, an imagine that kim jong il really is a dolly
 
FlagWagger said:
Many of us have commented on the ever decreasing strength of the RN and its decreasing ability to maintain the current operational tempo. It looks like this is finally being recognised in the press with today's Telegraph reporting on senior officers' doubts over the RN contributing to a N Korea blockade.

Once again, the lack of reality checks in Whitehall coupled with an overwhelming drive to reduce bottom line costs is returning to to bite us :(

In the Sunday Telegraph: 15 Oct 06, p.B2 MoD and shipyards in profit share deal (I don't have a link to the electronic version, I'm afraid) they have a report discussing a new deal between the MOD and shipyards to reduce ship construction costs further. Essentially the MOD will encourage the shipbuilders to cut costs (cut corners?) and in so doing share the costs of the savings with the MOD. The significant paragraph reads...

'It will be an incentivised contract whereby the lower the alliance can get the cost the more profit it will make...'

Will they ever learn? But of course it isn't their kids who are going to be serving in these vessels in wartime! :evil:
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
Always_a_Civvy said:
Essentially the MOD will encourage the shipbuilders to cut costs (cut corners?) and in so doing share the costs of the savings with the MOD. The significant paragraph reads...

'It will be an incentivised contract whereby the lower the alliance can get the cost the more profit it will make...'

Will they ever learn? But of course it isn't their kids who are going to be serving in these vessels in wartime! :evil:

Has anyone seen the Petrobras Power-Point presentation? The one that shows their P36 oil-platform sinking off Brazil with the words of a Petrobas executive over-laid on the pictures trumpeting how they had cut costs and thrown off the proscriptive shackles of conventional engineering discipline? There's some detail (but no pictures) at Petrobas P36 Wiki
 
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