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Should we relax the current drug laws

DruAde

Lantern Swinger
My wife used to be a drug and alchohol therapist / counsellor . Being psychotherapist for many many years she has seen it all. After 20 odd years trying to help addicts which include drug/alcohol and indeed gambling and sex addicts that, for the most part,it was a lost cause . An addict will always be an addict some just learn to control thier affliction.

The worst addicts? Alchoholics by far. She said they were the ones that always lied consistantly about their addiction and were the hardest work and the sneakiest (is that a word lol)

She now works with people with PTSD which involves helping some of the most deserving people and indeed the saddest stories I have ever heard.
 

danny

War Hero
To be fair, going to prison for drug related crimes can fast track you to rehab- don't commit a crime and you can literally wait for years. None of them should be legalised, but more should be invested in supporting people- i dont believe that people caught with them deserve to go to prison necessarily (and many dont); but its too dangerous to have them acceptable in mainstream society.

Rachel drugs are made more dangerous and feed more money to real nasty criminals and make mainstream society less safe. Drugs are never going to go away.
 

mikh

MIA
I think if anyone truly believes their kids won't do it at least once they're naive. Whether you like it or not. It's nothing new, it's been going on for five decades.

Monty, its one thing covertly pooping a pill in a club, but decriminalise it, and who knows where it will lead!

Danny, you would be very surprised at just how much parents know, but monitor from a distance. I had no idea my parents knew I smoked until my Dad gave me a gold lighter and 200 Benson & Hedges at the train station as I was leaving for Raleigh, but that was 35 years ago, fortunately my son is relatively bright, and has no interests in Smoking, and as far as I am aware his stance on drugs pretty much falls in line with mine.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
OK Ninja, Drugs get decriminalised, how would you feel about your kids smoking weed, popping pills on a night out?
Probably marginally less hacked-off if was legal, pure & regulated. Fact is, making it legal will probably make it less attractive.

It's odd though - even though we know more people die of alcohol related conditions than all the other stuff combined, by a factor of "lots", as a parent we often want to buy the first "legit" drink by way of celebration.

Similarly smoking kills far fewer but proportional to users, it has a higher fatality rate than alcohol or any other drug & is more addictive than heroin or crack cocaine, but we sell it in Tescos.
 

danny

War Hero
Monty, its one thing covertly pooping a pill in a club, but decriminalise it, and who knows where it will lead!

Danny, you would be very surprised at just how much parents know, but monitor from a distance. I had no idea my parents knew I smoked until my Dad gave me a gold lighter and 200 Benson & Hedges at the train station as I was leaving for Raleigh, but that was 35 years ago, fortunately my son is relatively bright, and has no interests in Smoking, and as far as I am aware his stance on drugs pretty much falls in line with mine.

Yeah I wouldn't dream of smoking and have always been mega anti smoking. Im pretty sure if they knew all hell would have broken loose.
It was never an issue as it isn't for most recreational users but most people try it and theres no boundaries to the types of people that do. You only need to look outside to see the effects of steroid abuse and I'm not even talking about the 17 stone monsters you see walking around, a lot of smaller guys who are ripped are taking all kinds of things.
 

Dusty31

Midshipman
I've had to use the NHS pretty much on a weekly basis since leaving the Service (including a 280+ day admission), and it absolutely appals me the priority given to habitual drug users with overdoses, drunks and alcoholics upon admission to A&E over the "properly ill or injured" (or maybe that's just here in East Yorkshire). If we, as taxpayers, are to fund their treatment, it should be in Drug & Drunk Units staffed by specialist staff fully away from regular hospitals so as they are not a burden on the already overstretched A&E Depts. Drug & Drink "illnesses" are by and large what I would term as being self-inflicted, and my sympathy for the users and abusers is pretty much non-existant unless they have been the victim of

Just my opinion, but the legal eagles need to come up with a stronger deterrant to disuade the uptake of drug use,
Users: A blood test should be taken for anyone caught in possession with a small amount of Class C for "personal use", and it comes back clean then a caution is just about right. Any positive blood test should be dealt with by automatic referral to aforementioned Drug Unit for rehab. Anyone who needs to be referred to rehab for subsequent times would pay for their treatment directly from their income/benefits, and failure to attend/pay for rehab would warrant a 3 year jail term.
Criminals: Crims who make a life of living on the users' misery found guilty of possession with intent to supply should be given a complusory life sentance with a minimum 25 year term before parole could be considered regardless of the class of drug involved.
Prisons: The Home Office seriously needs to get to grips with the drug problem inside with weekly, and if needed daily, drug screening of inmates and staff. Visitors should not be given the opportunity to physically interact with inmates, and visits by using the US system of individual booths with phones behind reinforced glass should become the norm, and "Human Rights" be damned!
 
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guestm

Guest
Monty, its one thing covertly pooping a pill in a club,

Woah there, what kind of clubs do you go to?

Anyway. I'm Quite certain a relaxation in drug laws wouldn't lead to the British Isles suddenly becoming Fantazia Castle Donnington circa 1992.
 

danny

War Hero
by using the US system of individual booths with phones behind reinforced glass should become the norm, and "Human Rights" be damned!

Ahh yes because that system works so well in the states and there are no drugs in U.S. prisons.

When public sector workers are on pay freezes and having pensions slashed I don't think its hard to expect someone will be happy to take a top up on there low wages for a shit job.
 
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guestm

Guest
I can't quite believe anyone could really suggest any part of the U.S. prison system as a serious reccomendation.
 

Rachelthree

War Hero
The US is a beacon for an excellent and effective prison service, so effective they don't have any problems with drugs.

In the real world, there will never be a universally accepted resolution, but whilst people are being paid vast sums of money to try and figure out what would win votes rather than improve lives; they should work with what we already have, and improve access to rehabilitation units and services. Legalising them, regulating, lisencing and everything would cost a lot more than trying to deal with it, and it definitely would increase usage. People would still undercut prices and create a black market, and sometimes the purer the drug the more dangerous it is. Cutting it with rubbish can actually be less risky- there are cases of course, but thankfully its somewhat rare.

The main issue is that the big dogs are more or less untouchable in terms of justice. Their minions often get caught, but people know better than to rag them out- and very few people know their identities so there isnt a long list of people to punish for such grassing. They always have a willing pool of people to do the dirty work and all, bit of a discount on the goods and a small cut of the profits appeals to plenty of people.
 

danny

War Hero
The US is a beacon for an excellent and effective prison service, so effective they don't have any problems with drugs.

In the real world, there will never be a universally accepted resolution, but whilst people are being paid vast sums of money to try and figure out what would win votes rather than improve lives; they should work with what we already have, and improve access to rehabilitation units and services. Legalising them, regulating, lisencing and everything would cost a lot more than trying to deal with it, and it definitely would increase usage. People would still undercut prices and create a black market, and sometimes the purer the drug the more dangerous it is. Cutting it with rubbish can actually be less risky- there are cases of course, but thankfully its somewhat rare.

The main issue is that the big dogs are more or less untouchable in terms of justice. Their minions often get caught, but people know better than to rag them out- and very few people know their identities so there isnt a long list of people to punish for such grassing. They always have a willing pool of people to do the dirty work and all, bit of a discount on the goods and a small cut of the profits appeals to plenty of people.

No it woudnt do you think alchol costs more money than it brings in tax revenues even with a roaring black market.

We have a pissing war ship in the Caribean looking for coke smugglers the ammount of money that costs alone must be staggering. That before we even look at what the police costs are in the UK with infinite task forces on drugs. None of it subsidised by tax revenues legal users would provide.
Importing illicit drugs would be dead in the water more or less on a cost basis. The only exceptions would be from other country's with legal drugs and it would now be a customs issue.
 

w.anchor

War Hero
Dusty I can understand that your three proposals may make you feel better about drugs and drug related crime. But do you honestly think they will have any effect whatsoever on the problem.
 

Dusty31

Midshipman
I wasn't saying that the American prison system is right - the 2% of the US population currently behind bars probably don - however I was advocating their prison/visitor separation so as to stem the transfer of smuggled goods: apologies if that didn't come across as I wished.

As Danny rightly says we have a pusser's war canoe (or RFA) out in the Windies for what little use it is. Even then, the deployment isn't 100% comitted to the Caribbean. OK, you might get lucky and snarl one or two like Argyll has done recently, the smugglers probably use the "captured" boat as a diversion. Did that trip and got nothing in 9 months - only upside was a bit of sun and sandy beaches.

As a deterrant we could always shoot the dealers, but the liberals and do-gooders might object.
 

MG Maniac

War Hero
Just a thought ... is it that people want to decriminalise / relax the drug laws because they are getting fed up getting nicked for having a ounce of weed / couple of E's (for their own personal use you understand) ... just seems there is an ulterior motive afoot??????
 

danny

War Hero
Just a thought ... is it that people want to decriminalise / relax the drug laws because they are getting fed up getting nicked for having a ounce of weed / couple of E's (for their own personal use you understand) ... just seems there is an ulterior motive afoot??????

Yeah as a serving member I am fed up of having all my Es taken from me.

#Sarcasm
 
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guestm

Guest
Just a thought ... is it that people want to decriminalise / relax the drug laws because they are getting fed up getting nicked for having a ounce of weed / couple of E's (for their own personal use you understand) ... just seems there is an ulterior motive afoot??????

I'm not sure my career would be going very well if I kept getting nicked for drugs.
 
Lots of opinions here but none really show a cure or deterrent to these poor excuses of the human race. The only way is the old way and still is in most Asian states, the death penalty. Whilst I spent my 5 years out in Singers. and Malaya these were regular happenings--some done in fives +. We should begin with all pushers-suppliers and smugglers, it ought to be a conclusion to a problem, a cure if you want, this is the only way. These vermin are the cause of worldwide misery and death to youngsters. Some of you may be disagree with my views but in my book we need a final solution to rid the world of all pushers-dealers-smugglers-suppliers etc.. These people have no right to life, they will readily destroy your children for you with no care for anyone. Execution is the only way forward to win the war on drugs.
 
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