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Should ID be required when Voting?

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I see Dappers point, before I swapped my paper licence (it fell apart) I only used my passport in the UK if I knew I was going to have to prove my ID, such as picking up a parcel from the PO, I use my photo driving licence now which I carry all the time as it's in my wallet.

If they did introduce an ID card I'm guessing they'd have to make a law stating it was compulsory to carry it at all times, something they managed in wartime with emergency powers but good luck with getting that law through parliament these days.
 

Ballistic

War Hero
As far as potential election fraud at the polling station goes, Dredd hinted at a solution in post #15.

Produce your polling card when you vote.
Polling card is retained by staff, ensuring one card = one vote.

I know it's not perfect, but it has the advantage of no additional cost to implement.
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
If they did introduce an ID card I'm guessing they'd have to make a law stating it was compulsory to carry it at all times,
And if it's compulsory to carry it, then there must be punitive measures for not carrying it. The wooden tops don't even respond to burglary.

something they managed in wartime with emergency powers
I imagine people could see the reason behind it and complied. But back in the day, most people did comply did they not? Today's generation perhaps not.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
I truly cannot understand why anyone would be opposed to an ID card.

We (most of us) on this site carried one for years with no problem. people are happy to carry a passport or pink driving licence - why not an ID card? You may well have other (unofficial) ID in your wallet from clubs or associations. So why not an officially recognised and endorsed 'credit card' sized ID. Personally I'm not bothered about whether or not it is biometric and has DNA, apart from the costs involved.

If stopped by the Police or proving your identity (banks and shops when paying by card) in any number of cases, a quick flash of the card and job jobbed.

When we first came to Spain, the Resident's card was a photo ID with a thumbprint on it too. It was great! I lost mine but SWMBO still has her one and it gets used regularly.

Sadly they were stopped........ allegedly one of the reasons being Brits complaining - a bit Ironic.

Happily a lot of places accept the pink (Spanish) driving licence as ID but they are not obliged to. We are SUPPOSED to carry our Residencia (an A4 sheet) AND our passport.

The issue is one of voluntary as opposed to mandatory.

While it is mandatory for me to have a valid license to drive a vehicle legally in the UK, according to the restrictions imposed, that is still voluntary as I choose to drive. I need to prove that I have met the relevant criteria before I can get one, and I need to stay within the rules to make sure I can keep it. As soon as I can no longer drive, for whatever reason, then I don't need one. To a certain extent the passport is the same - I only need it if I choose to leave this green and pleasant isle (and get back in, of course!).

The principle of universal suffrage is that the citizen is automatically entitled to vote with only a very few restrictions in certain cases e.g. serving prisoners. Therefore they should not need to prove their ID as they only get to vote once in any case. And even then there is a rule that means they need to be registered prior to the election, otherwise they cannot participate.

A National ID card is not necessary and the cost to administer would be money better spent elsewhere (plus, I would need to pay yet again for something I already pay elsewhere to do). Those who need to prove their ID already have various means to do so. Those who cannot are severely restricted in what they can do and they are few and far between. I have yet to fail to do something on the basis of being unable to prove who I am, or been overly inconvenienced when asked to do so.

I am unconvinced there is a problem that needs sorting in this respect. And with the gradual loss of privacy and freedoms as it is, this is another step down a road we really should not want to go.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
Poll stations are a joke, again many years back I used to visit them as Plod, I regularly had to ask unauthorised people to leave and point out to the staff who were meant to be supervising the fact that Tellers etc. aren't allowed to be in the Polling Stations. Despite the fact that your vote is meant to be confidential, it isn't as every paper is marked with your number on the register. In some areas I've seen reports that two people have gone into a booth together with no one stopping them.
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
While it is mandatory for me to have a valid license to drive a vehicle legally in the UK, according to the restrictions imposed, that is still voluntary as I choose to drive
I agree with your point. I'd just like to add that although it's mandatory to have one, it's not mandatory to actually carry it
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
I agree with your point. I'd just like to add that although it's mandatory to have one, it's not mandatory to actually carry it

Very true. That of course harks back to the days when you had 7 days to produce your evidence at a station of your choice. With inter-connectivity the way it is today, the actual need for which it is intended is actually less, at least for the authorities. Once they know who you are they can see if you are appropriately licensed, and if the vehicle is up to date with MOT (if reqd), tax and insurance, all on the on-board computer. Or call in for a check.

I agree with the above comments where the issue of a National ID card would require you to carry all the time, otherwise what is the point of it?

Your papers please.
 

Sumo

War Hero
For what I have read, don’t do that much, the cry foal issue is those entitled to vote but have no proof of ID, labour seems to think they are all their voters? The government said they could issue a proof of ID to those that need it, no mention of carrying it at all times. Then would that lead to if you still don’t have a recognised proof of ID are you an illegal or just cannot be arrsed to get one?


For all those that think it’s against their civil rights contact Gina Miller she likes to take on the government.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
For what I have read, don’t do that much, the cry foal issue is those entitled to vote but have no proof of ID, labour seems to think they are all their voters? The government said they could issue a proof of ID to those that need it, no mention of carrying it at all times. Then would that lead to if you still don’t have a recognised proof of ID are you an illegal or just cannot be arrsed to get one?


For all those that think it’s against their civil rights contact Gina Miller she likes to take on the government.
Neigh lad, whinny be a problem!
 

huwshpis

War Hero
. . .


For all those that think it’s against their civil rights contact Gina Miller she likes to take on the government.

She's got the right barrister for it! David (Lord) Pannick QC is an old mate of mine, but his hourly rates make mine look pathetic!
 

huwshpis

War Hero
I haven’t any more, the barstewards are putting up a new tower block in direct line of sight from my study window to the river. :mad:
 

Branch-Hopper

War Hero
For what I have read, don’t do that much, the cry foal issue is those entitled to vote but have no proof of ID, labour seems to think they are all their voters?
People have short memories.
When Labour where in power they wanted to introduce an ID card, for which they were going to charge us (from memory) £110 each. Now they are objecting to a potential voter using any ID they might have hanging about.
 
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