Should ID be required when Voting?

slim

War Hero
There has been a fair bit in the news recently about Election fraud.
Is it time that ID should be proven when casting your vote?
In this day and age most people have some form of Photo ID so it should not be a problem.
Also it has been reported that some students are intending voting more than once by casting their at university and also at their home address.

What do RR members think?
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I don't see how a student can vote twice, you have to be registered in whatever area you want to vote in and your documentation gets sent to that address.

Thinking about it I would say election fraud is quite difficult with the system as it stands today.
 

rebbonk

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
I'm personally against it, though I always take my voting card to the station with me.

It's my understanding that most frauds are connected with the postal vote, which I'm generally against unless you have a very good reason.

I would happily support severe penalties for those that do commit voting fraud, with (say) a minimum custodial sentence of five years.
 

slim

War Hero
I don't see how a student can vote twice, you have to be registered in whatever area you want to vote in and your documentation gets sent to that address.
Students are allowed to register in more than one place. ... Students are eligible to vote in local elections if registered in two areas, but can by law only vote once in Parliamentary elections.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I wasn't aware about the local election part, I was thinking parliamentary election anyway, and they'd still only get one set of documentation sent out.
 
I have no issue with a national ID card. Something that holds both your National Insurance number and a photo.

Not having anything to hide, I cannot see the problem. Now if they start going biometric and want it to hold DNA data or such like then I would object. Simple NI number and photo is fine.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
ID card - no problem.

Biometrics? Have any of you used a biometric passport to 'rush' you through the entry to UK process? What a load of bollix they are! I have never taken less than about 5 minutes to get through one of these god dammed machines. Glasses off - can't see next bit - start again. Moved passport - start again.

Bah humbug.
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
ID card - no problem.

Biometrics? Have any of you used a biometric passport to 'rush' you through the entry to UK process? What a load of bollix they are! I have never taken less than about 5 minutes to get through one of these god dammed machines. Glasses off - can't see next bit - start again. Moved passport - start again.

Bah humbug.
If you have a face that will stop a clock, it will surely slow down a biometric scanner.

ID to vote, yes. Failing that, culturally insensitive spot checks and, where fraud is proven in court, a deterrent jail sentence, publicised on the sides of buses and motorway flyovers.
 

Branch-Hopper

War Hero
they'd still only get one set of documentation sent out.
But one does not need to Polling Card to vote. Yes, it helps the staff find you on the list, but production of the Polling Card at the Polling Station is not mandatory.

One merely has to confirm name and address - which you could quote from any piece of local knowledge. For example my neighbour passed away earlier in the year. I know his name and his address, and that his family have not yet sold on nor tenanted that address. What is to stop me pretending to be him; wait for the staff to change over, then go back to use my own vote?

Production of the Polling Card should be mandatory.

However none of that cures the double-voting student, nor the appalling confidence trick that is the postal vote.
 

fishhead

War Hero
The original motive for postal votes was well intentioned but unfortunately it has been seized upon by those especially in inner city constituencies to bolster the voting for one party in particular. I think women are the most likely to get their vote stolen in this way but I expect anyone old or vulnerable are equally exposed.
I have a postal vote as does Mrs FH and my daughter mainly because we can't be bothered to traipse down to the polling station and I don't think we are alone in that regard.
 

Alfacharlie

War Hero
The original motive for postal votes was well intentioned but unfortunately it has been seized upon by those especially in inner city constituencies to bolster the voting for one party in particular. I think women are the most likely to get their vote stolen in this way but I expect anyone old or vulnerable are equally exposed.
I have a postal vote as does Mrs FH and my daughter mainly because we can't be bothered to traipse down to the polling station and I don't think we are alone in that regard.
Seconded.
 

Sumo

War Hero
I use postal Vote as I worked away a lot and could never make voting.
Proof of ID no problem, as ex-service we were used to that.
Postal Fraud is the main one, if you google it, it is not that uncommon?
Over on ARRSE so say they had 2 votes when students, if they applied for postal they were sent them to student and parents home, the 2 registering authorities don't or didn't have a link up?
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
I'm not against having to prove ID - we have it for many other things now - but against a National ID card for the simple reason of cost vs benefit. There is no real evidence of electoral fraud on a scale large enough to actually affect a vote, which is supposed to be the real concern.

Most people have several forms of ID - drivers license, passport, even a bank card - and the fall back could be production of a polling card so I am unclear on why there is opposition to the concept of having to prove you are eligible to vote. And as noted before, once your vote is cast it cannot be cast again. If anyone is going to deliberately attempt to defraud the system then the obvious way would be by postal vote, not by turning up to a polling station and attempting to vote more than once.

Unless someone can produce real evidence of significant fraud, rather than the odd apocryphal case, I really don't see it as a problem that needs considered.
 

Sumo

War Hero
This is a bit uuumm, google postal fraud there seems to be a few labour cases on line
Before November ends, the Tories will have millions of votes. Why? Postal voting.
In 2017, 8.4 million people voted by post, and most will probably have voted Conservative. One in five votes were by post, and postal voters were 20% more likely to cast a ballot than people who voted in person. With a winter polling day in 2019, Boris Johnson must be rubbing his hands with glee.
Don't let the Tories post their way to victory. Will you register for a postal vote today?
Here's the thing: winning campaigns have to get their voters out. Come rain or shine, our victory depends on it.
Register now. Do it for the rough sleepers our movement would house in our first term. For the people who do a decent day's work and somehow still end up out of pocket. For the doctors and nurses who want to work for public good, not private profit. For our schools. For the climate. Do it for the many, Stephen.
Registering for a postal vote is the best five minutes you can spend today. Go spend it!
Team Labour
Tory postal votes win elections. We need to fight back, so register now. It only takes a few minutes.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
In a sense a national ID card is already being stealthily produced since the photo driving licence was introduced, you don't even get a paper copy nowadays, plus it's a source of revenue as the photo licence only lasts for 10 years before you have to renew it. Win win for any government.

Obviously doesn't apply to non-drivers.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
I truly cannot understand why anyone would be opposed to an ID card.

We (most of us) on this site carried one for years with no problem. people are happy to carry a passport or pink driving licence - why not an ID card? You may well have other (unofficial) ID in your wallet from clubs or associations. So why not an officially recognised and endorsed 'credit card' sized ID. Personally I'm not bothered about whether or not it is biometric and has DNA, apart from the costs involved.

If stopped by the Police or proving your identity (banks and shops when paying by card) in any number of cases, a quick flash of the card and job jobbed.

When we first came to Spain, the Resident's card was a photo ID with a thumbprint on it too. It was great! I lost mine but SWMBO still has her one and it gets used regularly.

Sadly they were stopped........ allegedly one of the reasons being Brits complaining - a bit Ironic.

Happily a lot of places accept the pink (Spanish) driving licence as ID but they are not obliged to. We are SUPPOSED to carry our Residencia (an A4 sheet) AND our passport.
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I truly cannot understand why anyone would be opposed to an ID card.
Because it would be compulsory, not voluntary. I, as I'm sure everyone here that served, had to have your ID card on you AAT. Panicking if you couldn't find it. Fined or given a punishment if you lost it. (I had to weed the road to Trevor range with a hand trowel for a week when ships company at Raleigh for losing my ID card over the side of a yacht whilst racing) No thanks.
In addition, it's just one more thing that will be able to be forged and your Identity stolen.

. people are happy to carry a passport or pink driving licence - why not an ID card?
Because you choose to carry it, not because you have to carry it.
 

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