Shock! Horror! Vermin in Prison.

come_the_day

Lantern Swinger
Not terribly PC, but the stories today about the Inspector of Prisons complaining about vermin in Pentonville and no flushing loos in Peterhead make me chuckle. If there was no vermin (the human kind) we wouldn't need prisons to begin with! How many flushing loos are provided for soldiers living semi-permanently under canvas in Iraq and Afghanistan?
 
Whilst I accept your point about our boys in Iraq and Afganistan, two wrongs do not make a right.

Imagine if you had the misfortune to be in prison, there are many ex-serviceman who are or have been, for whatever reason. Is this how you would expect to be treated. For goodness sake it is the 21st century, in a prison provided by the state. It is not Auchstwitz.

Before you all start I am not an apologist for the Human Rights Act or the ECHR, however I do believe that people - even prisoners - deserve the right to be treated with dignity whilst they are detained by HMP. Which might I add, is exactly the reason why there is a court martial going in Bulford as we speak.
 

brigham600

War Hero
Must admit, I am with Rosey on this one. Whilst I am sure we all believe these 'rodents' in prison should be left to rot, they should at least have the basic sanitary functions available and working. Remember, not all prisoners are sex offenders, rapists etc. Just think of that elderly woman who was imprisoned for not paying her council tax. Would you want her to suffer the ignomy of no flushing toilets just because she stood up against the government? :wink:

What I do 'object' to is the fact they are pampered above all belief with gyms, playstations, tv, further education etc and even allowed visits by their partners for sex. Some are even allowed out to go shopping. :twisted:
 
rosinacarley said:
Imagine if you had the misfortune to be in prison, there are many ex-serviceman who are or have been, for whatever reason....

Before you all start I am not an apologist for the Human Rights Act or the ECHR, however I do believe that people - even prisoners - deserve the right to be treated with dignity whilst they are detained by HMP.

If ex-Service people are in prison, they probably deserve to be there and prison should involve some degree of punishment. I don't think slopping out is necessarily that undignified, but, even if it is, people employed by HMG in the "defence" of the realm have to do it on a regular basis, so don't expect me to feel sorry for inmates of HMPs, the huge majority of whom are not misguided little old ladies, but the scum of the earth.

Oh - and I'd bet that you are an apologist, whether you like to admit it or not!
 
I think the problem with putting undeserving people into fetid prisons is a problem that should be sorted out further down the legal chain, not by improving prisons to such a standard that it's comfortable. I've seen prisons on programs that were more comfortable than any of the hospitals i've worked in. Admittedly they were probably the 'better' prisons, but still.
 

Squirrel

Lantern Swinger
I don't see how people can be in prison out of misfortune. People on remand aside, those who are there, are there because they have been convicted of a criminal offence, the severity or repeated nature of which warranted a custodial sentence.
The cold, hard truth is that prison is there to serve as a punishment, yes, before someone jumps down my throat, prison does serve to rehabilitate and re-educate as well, but its primary purpose is to punish.
Inmates committed their crimes, knowing that they would be punished by the legal system if caught, so I don't have a great deal of sympathy with them, when they whinge about conditions and the lack of flushing toilets. It's not supposed to be nice, that's why naughty people get sent there and when prisoners whinge about their lot, they would do will to consider who's to blame for it.
 

creakin

Badgeman
The worst part of it all - when they get legal aid to take the prison officials to court...........if you cant do the time you shouldnt do the crime..

creakin
 
No Squirrel they dont go to prison because of misfortune they go because they got caught, you clean the messdecks even do Cap`n of the heads , you clean up in your home, its these bleedin` hearts that should do the time with them, the justice system is a farce, but we`ve been down that road on another thread.
 

flatbackpinky

Lantern Swinger
at least they dont have to clean up the after heads because of a blow back in the stp they are only emptying out there own excrement and urine not the entire wing . So I guess no sympathy here then there is always the old fashioned way of emptying your bowel and bladder before they lock you in for the night. If i could hold it during action stations then they can hold it during the hours they should be asleep dreaming of ways to be a productive member of society upon their release.
 
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