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Service Record Help

Lemacque

Midshipman
Hi all,

Hoping someone could help out with my grandad's service record, have tried elsewhere, but no results.

1 His service record has him joining submarines, with "S.C" listed in betweed with a date range.
Example:
Medway (Phoenix) 17 June 31
-"- (S.C) 1 Oct 31
-"- (Osiris) 20 Feb 32
-"- (Olympus) 14 Mar 32
-"- (S.C) 24 Feb 33
I can see that his base was s/m depot ship Medway, and the various boats he was on, just don't know what the S.C means in between

2. He has an entry on his record: "Dept IGCB 5/2/43 S161 Canada" Any ideas?

Any help greatly appreciated!
 
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Deleted 103788

Guest
SC was the code prefix used WW2 for convoys Liverpool /Halifax Nova Scotia 161 was the convoy number
 

slim

War Hero
2. He has an entry on his record: "Dept IGCB 5/2/43 S161 Canada" Any ideas?

Could it be depvd?
If so may be he lost a good conduct badge (lots of us have :( ).
If he did hope what it was for was worth it
Mine was for the greaded Boooze
 

Alfacharlie

War Hero
:(2. He has an entry on his record: "Dept IGCB 5/2/43 S161 Canada" Any ideas?

Could it be depvd?
If so may be he lost a good conduct badge (lots of us have :( ).
If he did hope what it was for was worth it
Mine was for the greaded Boooze

Or two... :(
 
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Mmmm. Verry Interesting Sloppers, but (a) Not many (of our) Submarines were involved in Convoy Duties, unless you know otherwise?. (B) Not many Convoys were running between Oct 1931 to Feb 1933 either.

@Lemacque, Try "Spare Crew" - A hard core of additional submarine qualified individuals aboard the Depot Ship or S/M Base who were/are on constant standby with a grab-bag for a 'Pierhead Jump'. Their role being as a short-notice replacement for a permanent member of any of the Squadron's Crew who are unable to sail when their own boat proceeds to sea. eg sickness, compassionate, AWOL etc.

Whilst on standby they would be employed within their specialisations as additional to the Depot Ships Co,
 
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Deleted 103788

Guest
Allied submarines were used extensively for convoy protection

HMS Sturgeon was an S-class submarine that entered service with the Royal Navy in 1932. ... She left port on 25 June to provide protection for Convoy PQ 17, returning on 12 July. On 4 August, Sturgeon was ordered to patrol off Lister, Norway ...
Launched: 8 January 1932

Sturgeon plus two allied submarines on this well known convoy ,but submarines were used on all SC convoys q.v.
 
Allied submarines were used extensively for convoy protection

HMS Sturgeon was an S-class submarine that entered service with the Royal Navy in 1932. ... She left port on 25 June to provide protection for Convoy PQ 17, returning on 12 July. On 4 August, Sturgeon was ordered to patrol off Lister, Norway ...
Launched: 8 January 1932

Sturgeon plus two allied submarines on this well known convoy ,but submarines were used on all SC convoys q.v.
Sigh - But what Convoys, Norman, were running between Oct 1931 to Feb 1933, The period asked by the OP,.
when the Medway and squadron were assigned to the Far East station? I suggest NIL.

Thanks for your 'bonus information' - Which has absolutely no relevance to the queried initials 'S effing C'

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Lemacque

Midshipman
2. He has an entry on his record: "Dept IGCB 5/2/43 S161 Canada" Any ideas?

Could it be depvd?
If so may be he lost a good conduct badge (lots of us have :( ).
If he did hope what it was for was worth it
Mine was for the greaded Boooze
That makes sense! Its difficult to read this old fafhioned style handwriting. Looks like deprived 1 good conduct badge, Canada. Booze maybe, wouldn't surprise me, the old dog did love a pint or two!
 

Lemacque

Midshipman
SC was the code prefix used WW2 for convoys Liverpool /Halifax Nova Scotia 161 was the convoy number
This kind of ties in with the losing of a good conduct badge in Canada. Not sure what ship he was on as there's a 2 year gap on his record. He was on Periwinkle till 42 on atlantic convoys. It doesn't say SC161 though, just S161, and it has it on a posting to HMS Paragon in 44 too. ( 3-4-44 S161 Paragon)
Cheers :)
 
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Lemacque

Midshipman
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Mmmm. Verry Interesting Sloppers, but (a) Not many (of our) Submarines were involved in Convoy Duties, unless you know otherwise?. (B) Not many Convoys were running between Oct 1931 to Feb 1933 either.

@Lemacque, Try "Spare Crew" - A hard core of additional submarine qualified individuals aboard the Depot Ship or S/M Base who were/are on constant standby with a grab-bag for a 'Pierhead Jump'. Their role being as a short-notice replacement for a permanent member of any of the Squadron's Crew who are unable to sail when their own boat proceeds to sea. eg sickness, compassionate, AWOL etc.

Whilst on standby they would be employed within their specialisations as additional to the Depot Ships Co,
Like it, probably right. Would explain why he was still on the Medway (on the china station), cheers :)
 
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Lemacque

Midshipman
Posted the record, wasn't sure it was allowed or not, but makes sense. If anyone spots anything else interesting, I'd appreciate the feedback. Thanks for all the replies so far :)
 

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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
He was deprived one GCB, as it says on the docs he was AWOL. plus what looks like 7 days punishment (probably No 9's) for disobediance and absence. S161 appears a few times so nothing to do with convoys and SC is definitely Spare Crew.
 

slim

War Hero
Thanks for putting his docs up.
From the docs it is certain that he was deprived one good conduct badge.
A good conduct badge was always reckoned to be worth 7 days in cells.
Just a wee hiccup in his career and nothing to be ashamed of.
Sounds like he would have made a great run ashore oppo :)
 

Lemacque

Midshipman
Thanks for putting his docs up.
From the docs it is certain that he was deprived one good conduct badge.
A good conduct badge was always reckoned to be worth 7 days in cells.
Just a wee hiccup in his career and nothing to be ashamed of.
Sounds like he would have made a great run ashore oppo :)
He was a bit of a boozer for sure. He lost both his legs (smoking capstan full strength fags all his life), and I used to push his wheelchair up to the local for a pint or two.... Never any war stories though, he was quite traumatised by whatever he witnessed bless him.
 
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Deleted 103788

Guest
Sigh - But what Convoys, Norman, were running between Oct 1931 to Feb 1933, The period asked by the OP,.
when the Medway and squadron were assigned to the Far East station? I suggest NIL.

Thanks for your 'bonus information' - Which has absolutely no relevance to the queried initials 'S effing C'

View attachment 55579

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Leaving aside the China Station in the 1930,s The Halifax convoys are more straightforward.
Liverpool Halifax convoys suffered great losses at first as convoys comprised merchant ships of different speeds. The laggards were picked off by the Germans, Halifax convoys were then split into two. HX designated convoys continued with speedy merchant ships and slower ships to the designated SC convoys ( Slowcoaches)
SC161 sailing February 1943 was a SC (Slowcoach) convoy.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Leaving aside the China Station in the 1930,s The Halifax convoys are more straightforward.
Liverpool Halifax convoys suffered great losses at first as convoys comprised merchant ships of different speeds. The laggards were picked off by the Germans, Halifax convoys were then split into two. HX designated convoys continued with speedy merchant ships and slower ships to the designated SC convoys ( Slowcoaches)
SC161 sailing February 1943 was a SC (Slowcoach) convoy.
That's as may be but irrelevant to the SC on the service record, and as has been pointed out more than once, there were no convoy's in the time frame of the SC (Service Certificate in this case). and SC stands for Spare Crew on the certificate.

So in a nutshell SC on the SC doesn't mean it's a convoy designator, the S161 is probably a form, much like the S126 form I, and many others on here no doubt, received from our friendly jack dusties!
 
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