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slim

War Hero
box-of-frogs said:
******** said:
slim said:
tommo said:
Really none ??? So those 7 Navy aircrew who died in the gulf 2003 didn't exist?

You don't have a clue

Not exactly an enemy fire incident:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/04/iraq.military

This was more of a flying accident which could have happened anywhere in the world.

Sadly it ended with the deaths of seven aviators, but not the result of an enemy engagement.
Hear Hear Slim. Not one sailor or airman has died on active service in Iraq or Afghanistan.
That's wonderful but let's stop this hero-worshiping nonsense. We are proud of our sailors and airmen--but they are no more at risk than a Friday night in Guzz when the Home Fleet disembarked and were Hell-Bent on filling-in any remnants of Airmen. Soldiers In fact all those whose cap-tallies didn't display Vanguard or whatever.

Herc shot down north of baghdad? IDF attacks on the COB? Lynx shot down over Basra? Shooting in Iraq? IEDs in Afghan? Does these not count as active service? Not often i stick up for the crabs but.........

I was commenting on the RN aspect, not the RAF.
The RN have so far been extremely lucky when it comes to casualties, the RAF not so.
yes we do have RN personnel deployed in hostile environments, but nowhere near as hostile as army personnel are experiencing.
My belief is that we should withdraw ALL troops from both Iran and Afghanistan. We will not win in Afghanistan and the troops and money would be better spent securing our borders against drug and people trafficers.
 

slim

War Hero
Sentenashi said:
******** said:
slim said:
tommo said:
Really none ??? So those 7 Navy aircrew who died in the gulf 2003 didn't exist?

You don't have a clue

Not exactly an enemy fire incident:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/04/iraq.military

This was more of a flying accident which could have happened anywhere in the world.

Sadly it ended with the deaths of seven aviators, but not the result of an enemy engagement.
Hear Hear Slim. Not one sailor or airman has died on active service in Iraq or Afghanistan.That's wonderful but let's stop this hero-worshiping nonsense. We are proud of our sailors and airmen--but they are no more at risk than a Friday night in Guzz when the Home Fleet disembarked and were Hell-Bent on filling-in any remnants of Airmen. Soldiers In fact all those whose cap-tallies didn't display Vanguard or whatever.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6601017.stm

RM Squadron.

I'm pretty sure they qualify as Airmen.

Edit: This has already been said, but I'm leaving it here because "I'm right for once"

Some would be airmen, however one of the tasks allocated to helicopters is to transport personnel, not all of which would be airmen. They ALL of course died on active service.
Unfortunately more brave souls killed in a war which we would never have been engaged in if the politicians had told the truth.
 

tommo

War Hero
Yes Slim but Norm was saying none have been killed in Active Service he didn't say by the enemy. But we have lost some.

I agree the Matelots that are out there. I know a few on land in the frontline have been lucky so far, or is because jack knows when to keep his head down lol

Someone like Norm should be far more support of the boys and girls out there (wether agreeing with the reasons why or not), especially if he's ex service not slagging them off!
 

slim

War Hero
tommo said:
Yes Slim but Norm was saying none have been killed in Active Service he didn't say by the enemy. But we have lost some.

I agree the Matelots that are out there. I know a few on land in the frontline have been lucky so far, or is because jack knows when to keep his head down lol

I think the RN are lucky in that the majority are serving in places which are better protected than those to which the pongo is sent.
I sincerely hope that no more are killed or injured, I hope even more that our lads and lassies are withdrawn a the earliest opportunity.
 

tommo

War Hero
But the RM come under the RN flag and they don't get nice places to patrol just like the pongo's
 

dickhead

Banned
tommo said:
Yes Slim but Norm was saying none have been killed in Active Service he didn't say by the enemy. But we have lost some.

I agree the Matelots that are out there. I know a few on land in the frontline have been lucky so far, or is because jack knows when to keep his head down lol

Someone like Norm should be far more support of the boys and girls out there (wether agreeing with the reasons why or not), especially if he's ex service not slagging them off!
Norm. Whoever he might be would, I am sure, be the last to denigrate the efforts of our troops ( sailors and airmen included) in their devotion to duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are first class British Citizens and he would salute them.
But he must keep in proportion the Royal Navy input so far as front-line service is concerned compared to that of the army.
The Royal Navy will be doing a useful job but not putting their lives on the line to any great extent. It's the pretence that they are so doing he would object to.
 

Dutch

Badgeman
peaky15 said:
i really like the idea of serving in the royal navy and defending the ship etc, but was just after an answer to the question of whether or not i will be expected to serve on land, i know it probably sounds stupid but i thought people on here would be able to give me a straight answer.

I think you will find the problem you have come up against, is asking for a straight answer from a question that could of been answered yourself by doing a bit more research.

By the very nature of the Seamanship Specialist role and even its job title suggest that you will be serving on a ship at sea.
A Sea Spec's training and main duties will be ships husbandry, Tactical comms, driving the ship at sea, crewing the RIBS, Resupplying the ship at sea (RAS), anchoring and berthing the ship and maintaing the upper deck equipment. SEA's are also trained in operating the upper deck weapons and defending the ship from close range attack using rifles.
Therefore I would suspect that only in times of extreme emergency would a SEA ever be required to be deployed on land operations and would most definately not be fighting an enemy in close range combat. You will find that is what the other Forces are trained for.
My advice is to vist your local AFCO so you can get more information.
 
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