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seaman specialist

slim

War Hero
It's a long time since I joined, however I do remember the GI informing us that though we were in the RN we were also soldiers and could be called upon to act as such.
Does this condition still exist?
 
Most of the matelots in Afghanistan are Marine Engineers (M.E's) helping Royal where they can in any way they can, or Comms rates doing their bit.
Those that are trained in the way of the infanteer are the ones shooting at folk etc. the rest of us are totally untrained to be in that situation and would be a liability to everyone around us so no, you won't be sent out there.
Well, not before Christmas anyway.
Probably.
 

captainobvious

Lantern Swinger
Black2Blue said:
slim said:
As a seaman spec his chances of passing for leading hand and then PO are statistically better.

Ohhh, cut and paste to my "tidbits" I will... :thumright:

Oh, this doesn't apply to you, you're too old and an ex pongo to boot, you'll be scrubbing decks til the day you leave. Sorry. ;)
 

BoxKickerSubs

Lantern Swinger
Lamri said:
Most of the matelots in Afghanistan are Marine Engineers (M.E's) helping Royal where they can in any way they can, or Comms rates doing their bit.
Those that are trained in the way of the infanteer are the ones shooting at folk etc. the rest of us are totally untrained to be in that situation and would be a liability to everyone around us so no, you won't be sent out there.
Well, not before Christmas anyway.
Probably.

Not just comms rates Lamri us LOGGS branch get the hot and sandy treatment very often right now. A few mates of mine are diong their bit out there just now.
 
BoxKickerSubs said:
Lamri said:
Most of the matelots in Afghanistan are Marine Engineers (M.E's) helping Royal where they can in any way they can, or Comms rates doing their bit.
Those that are trained in the way of the infanteer are the ones shooting at folk etc. the rest of us are totally untrained to be in that situation and would be a liability to everyone around us so no, you won't be sent out there.
Well, not before Christmas anyway.
Probably.

Not just comms rates Lamri us LOGGS branch get the hot and sandy treatment very often right now. A few mates of mine are diong their bit out there just now.

Apologies BKS, I wasn't aware :)
The point I was very badly trying to make, was that there are quite a few different flavour matelots out there doing something or other.
:)
 

BoxKickerSubs

Lantern Swinger
Lamri said:
BoxKickerSubs said:
Lamri said:
Most of the matelots in Afghanistan are Marine Engineers (M.E's) helping Royal where they can in any way they can, or Comms rates doing their bit.
Those that are trained in the way of the infanteer are the ones shooting at folk etc. the rest of us are totally untrained to be in that situation and would be a liability to everyone around us so no, you won't be sent out there.
Well, not before Christmas anyway.
Probably.

Not just comms rates Lamri us LOGGS branch get the hot and sandy treatment very often right now. A few mates of mine are diong their bit out there just now.

Apologies BKS, I wasn't aware :)
The point I was very badly trying to make, was that there are quite a few different flavour matelots out there doing something or other.
:)

And doing a very good job of it i might add. To all the lads out there doing the job, all the very best and come home safe to your families.
 

dickhead

Banned
Black2Blue said:
peaky15 said:
hello lamri, yes i did, thank you, reading it though, it doesnt actually say that seaman specialists are obliged to serve on the front line, or if it does, i missed it and am sorry for being so ignorant.

Are we to understand that you have reservations of serving on the "front line"?

Are you viewing this with whats going on in Afgan in mind, such as RN pers serving with RM Logs as drivers/fitters/etc?
Doesn't everyone have reservations about serving in or on The Front Line. It might concentrate the mind wonderfully-- but it remains extremely painfull to be shot at-- To be avoided at all costs I suggest.
 

Black2Blue

War Hero
captainobvious said:
Black2Blue said:
slim said:
As a seaman spec his chances of passing for leading hand and then PO are statistically better.

Ohhh, cut and paste to my "tidbits" I will... :thumright:

Oh, this doesn't apply to you, you're too old and an ex pongo to boot, you'll be scrubbing decks til the day you leave. Sorry. ;)

Well at least I will have more stories to tell the grandchildren! :thumright:

Tbh I am feeling like the guy who cant make up his mind. A top tip from a top bloke has thrown a (grateful) spanner in the works and I am now thinking CIS or ET(WE).

******** said:
Black2Blue said:
peaky15 said:
hello lamri, yes i did, thank you, reading it though, it doesnt actually say that seaman specialists are obliged to serve on the front line, or if it does, i missed it and am sorry for being so ignorant.

Are we to understand that you have reservations of serving on the "front line"?

Are you viewing this with whats going on in Afgan in mind, such as RN pers serving with RM Logs as drivers/fitters/etc?

Doesn't everyone have reservations about serving in or on The Front Line. It might concentrate the mind wonderfully-- but it remains extremely painfull to be shot at-- To be avoided at all costs I suggest.

Are you serving or have you served mate?
 

dickhead

Banned
Black2Blue said:
captainobvious said:
Black2Blue said:
slim said:
As a seaman spec his chances of passing for leading hand and then PO are statistically better.

Ohhh, cut and paste to my "tidbits" I will... :thumright:

Oh, this doesn't apply to you, you're too old and an ex pongo to boot, you'll be scrubbing decks til the day you leave. Sorry. ;)

Well at least I will have more stories to tell the grandchildren! :thumright:

Tbh I am feeling like the guy who cant make up his mind. A top tip from a top bloke has thrown a (grateful) spanner in the works and I am now thinking CIS or ET(WE).

******** said:
Black2Blue said:
peaky15 said:
hello lamri, yes i did, thank you, reading it though, it doesnt actually say that seaman specialists are obliged to serve on the front line, or if it does, i missed it and am sorry for being so ignorant.

Are we to understand that you have reservations of serving on the "front line"?

Are you viewing this with whats going on in Afgan in mind, such as RN pers serving with RM Logs as drivers/fitters/etc?

Doesn't everyone have reservations about serving in or on The Front Line. It might concentrate the mind wonderfully-- but it remains extremely painfull to be shot at-- To be avoided at all costs I suggest.

Are you serving or have you served mate?
Let's be realistic about risk.
In Iraq or Afghanistan-- How many Sailors or Airmen have been killed?
Soldiers-Yes but Sailors and airmen-None That tells me something!! What does it say to you?
 

tommo

War Hero
Really none ??? So those 7 Navy aircrew who died in the gulf 2003 didn't exist?

You don't have a clue
 

dickhead

Banned
slim said:
tommo said:
Really none ??? So those 7 Navy aircrew who died in the gulf 2003 didn't exist?

You don't have a clue

Not exactly an enemy fire incident:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/04/iraq.military

This was more of a flying accident which could have happened anywhere in the world.

Sadly it ended with the deaths of seven aviators, but not the result of an enemy engagement.
Hear Hear Slim. Not one sailor or airman has died on active service in Iraq or Afghanistan.
That's wonderful but let's stop this hero-worshiping nonsense. We are proud of our sailors and airmen--but they are no more at risk than a Friday night in Guzz when the Home Fleet disembarked and were Hell-Bent on filling-in any remnants of Airmen. Soldiers In fact all those whose cap-tallies didn't display Vanguard or whatever.
 

tommo

War Hero
******** said:
slim said:
tommo said:
Really none ??? So those 7 Navy aircrew who died in the gulf 2003 didn't exist?

You don't have a clue

Not exactly an enemy fire incident:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/04/iraq.military

This was more of a flying accident which could have happened anywhere in the world.

Sadly it ended with the deaths of seven aviators, but not the result of an enemy engagement.
Hear Hear Slim. Not one sailor or airman has died on active service in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Ah but I am right these service men died in active service in an active warzone. Therefore they still on active service in Iraq or afganhistan. Just because it wasn't at the hands of the enemy they were on the frontline! That's what Norm was saying!

So shove that up your rusty piehole :thumright:
 

box-of-frogs

Midshipman
******** said:
Let's be realistic about risk.
In Iraq or Afghanistan-- How many Sailors or Airmen have been killed?
Soldiers-Yes but Sailors and airmen-None That tells me something!! What does it say to you?

Not wanting to turn this into a pi$$ing context about casualties, obvously the Army have taken the brunt of the casualties, but, the crabs have taken a fair few hits too. 15 crabs KIA in Afghan. Around crabs 22 KIA in Iraq. I don't really want to count them all. Total number KIA from all our Sevices about 296.

Feel free to read through the lists:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/F.../OperationsInAfghanistanBritishFatalities.htm

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/F...tsheets/OperationsInIraqBritishFatalities.htm

To answer ********* question, if you serve in the forces you might well end up somewhere where metal flys about. If you don't like it then you should F*ck Off along with ******** for making such bone statements.
 

box-of-frogs

Midshipman
******** said:
slim said:
tommo said:
Really none ??? So those 7 Navy aircrew who died in the gulf 2003 didn't exist?

You don't have a clue

Not exactly an enemy fire incident:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/04/iraq.military

This was more of a flying accident which could have happened anywhere in the world.

Sadly it ended with the deaths of seven aviators, but not the result of an enemy engagement.
Hear Hear Slim. Not one sailor or airman has died on active service in Iraq or Afghanistan.
That's wonderful but let's stop this hero-worshiping nonsense. We are proud of our sailors and airmen--but they are no more at risk than a Friday night in Guzz when the Home Fleet disembarked and were Hell-Bent on filling-in any remnants of Airmen. Soldiers In fact all those whose cap-tallies didn't display Vanguard or whatever.

Herc shot down north of baghdad? IDF attacks on the COB? Lynx shot down over Basra? Shooting in Iraq? IEDs in Afghan? Does these not count as active service? Not often i stick up for the crabs but.........
 

Sentenashi

War Hero
******** said:
slim said:
tommo said:
Really none ??? So those 7 Navy aircrew who died in the gulf 2003 didn't exist?

You don't have a clue

Not exactly an enemy fire incident:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/04/iraq.military

This was more of a flying accident which could have happened anywhere in the world.

Sadly it ended with the deaths of seven aviators, but not the result of an enemy engagement.
Hear Hear Slim. Not one sailor or airman has died on active service in Iraq or Afghanistan.That's wonderful but let's stop this hero-worshiping nonsense. We are proud of our sailors and airmen--but they are no more at risk than a Friday night in Guzz when the Home Fleet disembarked and were Hell-Bent on filling-in any remnants of Airmen. Soldiers In fact all those whose cap-tallies didn't display Vanguard or whatever.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6601017.stm

RM Squadron.

I'm pretty sure they qualify as Airmen.

Edit: This has already been said, but I'm leaving it here because "I'm right for once"
 
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