Scottish Independence

The stories were published 4 months ago but the subjects are still, in even more so, current.

Whilst browsing thru the 21st April 2007 copy of “The Economist†by their columnist “Charlemagne†concerning Scottish Independence which produces some angles which I had not thought of and research into the Possibility of Scotland being after independence a member of the EC.

Scotland

The SNP are strongly pushing the line Independent Scotland in Europe.

1. Under the current arrangements the population of Scotland are no more in favour than the English of EC membership being a mere 12%.

2. If Scotland left the member State i.e UK under the EC Regulations it(Scotland) would no longer be a member and would have to apply for membership. The membership being held by the member state the UK, would continue. This has been confirmed by the EC Commission

3. All 27 Member Countries would have to approve that application.

4. Some states like Spain have their own problems with secessionists like the Basque and Catalans and are unlikely to do anything to encourage smaller independent states in the EC may even oppose membership.

5. Several countries including France are obliged by their constitution to hold a referendum on a new member joining.

6. Scotland would be leaving one Union to just join another Union.

No doubt Scotland would, at some point, gain entry but how much would it have to give away, lets say in Fishing rights to get the Spanish vote for instance.

Food for discussion.

Another article of general interest about the RN also appeared in this copy.

RN


Nutty
 

dunkers

War Hero
I believe it is also in EU rules that national borders are now fixed? (Mainly in order to stop EU member states trying to claim land from other EU states for themselves e.g. as Germany historically did in Alsace-Lorraine.)
Scottish independence would create a new (sovereign) border which would contravene this.

I really hope it doesn't happen.
 
The current arrangement is, well not exactly working, but the best that could be hoped for whilst keeping all sides reasonably happy, Scotland has independance in some areas, whilst at the same time remaining part of the United Kingdom for others.

The second article's conclusion of lots of small gunships in some ways I agree with, but at the same time think that is a shortsighted approach. What is needed, and the Navy will never get, is both, 30 FFGs (plus the full order of 45s) and small gunships to work in the current Mid-East theartre. One can but dream eh!
 
Potential_Officer said:
The current arrangement is, well not exactly working, but the best that could be hoped for whilst keeping all sides reasonably happy, Scotland has independance in some areas, whilst at the same time remaining part of the United Kingdom for others.

The second article's conclusion of lots of small gunships in some ways I agree with, but at the same time think that is a shortsighted approach. What is needed, and the Navy will never get, is both, 30 FFGs (plus the full order of 45s) and small gunships to work in the current Mid-East theartre. One can but dream eh!

P-O

I think the writer was a little tongue in cheek and referring to the days of the Old Empire when Pax Britannica would dispatch a gunboat to points of trouble to quell the locals.

Nutty
 

dunkers

War Hero
Potential_Officer said:
... but the best that could be hoped for whilst keeping all sides reasonably happy...

An agreement that tries to please everyone would please nobody.

The current arrangement is keeping the majority of people happy.
 

danny

War Hero
i think we should apply to the lottory regeneration fund. for a grant to regenerate hadrians wall. keep them all penned in :):p
 

geoffg

Lantern Swinger
As the PM is Scottish, it would be more appropriate for England to apply for independance
geoff(ers) :nemo:
 
We will all be part of Europe bye and bye, theres no stopping it, unless you vote for the BNP, that is your only option I`m afraid, and as no-one will vote for the BNP, best start to learn speaking German.
 

oberon

Lantern Swinger
danny said:
geoffg said:
As the PM is Scottish, it would be more appropriate for England to apply for independance
geoff(ers) :nemo:

As long as he goes back with you. We dont want him down here.

So was Tony Blair!! Born in Edinburgh of Scottish (Tory) parents, educated in Edinburgh at the Eton of Scotland. So lets get over the idea that a Scottish PM is something new! We've got a German queen for God's sake!
 
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