SCC instructor

In the process of joining. My CO, an ex-Reg Bootie, is adamant that he wants me to go down the Officer track although I have said I'm entirely happy to start out as a Potential PO. There's been a bit of a delay, but that's down to SCC HQ Staff being on Work from Home, and Area Staff being on summer holiday.

It seems a happy Unit. Aside from the CO one of the POs is an ex-Reg Matelot, and the CPO has been SCC Corps since being a Cadet but has many years experience, is a highly-qualified Seamanship Instructor & has a great way with the Cadets. The other two POs are relatively recent Cadets.

What I hope to bring is a fair deal of military background, my user name may be familiar to those on ARRSE; a lot of experience working with children through mini-rugby coaching; and as an inshore & offshore yachtsman some useful knowledge there. I'm also experienced in charity accounting so the UMT like me. Still a lot to learn before I'm useful, although I have got through the online induction training. Gaining credibility by just joining in & doing as told when necessary for example when boating, & being drilled round the square with the Cadets by the Chief.

So far it's been great. As soon as my DBS came in I was set to work teaching & have delivered my first lesson, NE06 How To Obtain & Use A Weather Forecast for those in the Corps. Amazed how the kids sat down, listened and gave sensible input, although they weren't quite ready to be asked to discuss questions in groups & come up with an answer - instead I received a forest of hands up! Also astonished that when I gave the class a chart of sea areas & played the shipping forecast the Cadets went quiet & I could see them concentrating on where the weather was. I should tell the parents about the soporific effects.

Some notable moments so far. A female Cadet who is not the most prepossessing & with some family issues is a qualified Cox'n, and when put in a Trinity with four of her peers can just get on with it, no messing from the others. Also a very new entrant had his first experience of rowing a Trinity last night and came ashore saying how much he'd loved it. Seeing the ex-Reg PO deliver a lesson on ironing & keeping a bunch of tweens & teenagers engaged was also quite something.

Frustrations have been over joining. The SCC won't accept update service DBS checks, so I've had to go through all that again despite having one as a volunteer school governor & another because I work in education. It's also a pain I can't progress until I've done an online safeguarding presentation on Zoom bearing in mind I work in safeguarding!

Overall really glad I jumped ship from a green background. My fellow instructors are good eggs; the UMT really dedicated; and the Cadets really enthusiastic. I can't think of a better way to spend a Tuesday night after work than rowing up & down the Thames at sunset with some like-minded people!
Glad to hear you’re enjoying is and you have what seems like a very good unit. Totally understandable with the DBS, but they’re not transferable in any organisation afaik. Plus I have an indate brand new Scottish on for the SCC but my new u it in Devon insists I get a brand new English one as it’s not valid south of the boarder, out of Northern Area.
 
Glad to hear you’re enjoying is and you have what seems like a very good unit. Totally understandable with the DBS, but they’re not transferable in any organisation afaik. Plus I have an indate brand new Scottish on for the SCC but my new u it in Devon insists I get a brand new English one as it’s not valid south of the boarder, out of Northern Area.
Thank you! As I say, still waiting for approval from HQ of my DBS & only then can I get onto safeguarding. Think CO wants an Officer around to be figurehead for Blue Jackets, although sure Chief doing job very well!

The whole point of DBS Update Service is that there is only need for one DBS across sectors. I can’t use my volunteer one for paid work & vice-versa but organisations should accept the like one if it’s there.

I suspect, like the old canard that DBS Certificates “expire” & must be “renewed”, it’s a combination of failure to understand the system & the CYA principle. At one time I held certificates, all dated within months of each other, for work; the ex-MrsPlume’s work as I might come into contact with children she cared for; my Rugby Club; & the Scout movement on the basis I helped out from time to time when a Cub Pack was using the School where I worked!
 

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Thank you! As I say, still waiting for approval from HQ of my DBS & only then can I get onto safeguarding. Think CO wants an Officer around to be figurehead for Blue Jackets, although sure Chief doing job very well!

The whole point of DBS Update Service is that there is only need for one DBS across sectors. I can’t use my volunteer one for paid work & vice-versa but organisations should accept the like one if it’s there.

I suspect, like the old canard that DBS Certificates “expire” & must be “renewed”, it’s a combination of failure to understand the system & the CYA principle. At one time I held certificates, all dated within months of each other, for work; the ex-MrsPlume’s work as I might come into contact with children she cared for; my Rugby Club; & the Scout movement on the basis I helped out from time to time when a Cub Pack was using the School where I worked!

There is a different reason to consider.

If all the CFAVs in the unit are senior rates, you are (potentially) missing out. My previous unit CO had to say, having been a proud Chief and only giving in finally to pressure to gain the commission, that he has not appreciated just how much he had been missing out on as although the decisions may not be made in the wardroom, they are very much forged and tempered there. It is also helpful when dealing with those outwith the unit, MoD-based and beyond. And an officer rank can sometimes unlock something that was held back before, however unfair that may appear to be.
 
I will be very proud if, based on 18 years Army Officer service including a pass at Junior Staff College, I am selected to be an Officer. Even have my (retired 2 1/2) brother in law’s sword offered for parades.

However if Officer rank (Lt (SCC)) requested on basis of prior experience & according to SCC Regs is denied I’ll be happy to serve as a PO. I’ve asked myself long & hard about whether doing this is about getting the dressing up box out, & concluded it isn’t so bring on rank/rate as appropriate!
 

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I will be very proud if, based on 18 years Army Officer service including a pass at Junior Staff College, I am selected to be an Officer. Even have my (retired 2 1/2) brother in law’s sword offered for parades.

However if Officer rank (Lt (SCC)) requested on basis of prior experience & according to SCC Regs is denied I’ll be happy to serve as a PO. I’ve asked myself long & hard about whether doing this is about getting the dressing up box out, & concluded it isn’t so bring on rank/rate as appropriate!

And that is exactly the right attitude.

It is cadets - we work with young people and we do the best we can for them. If it means developing ourselves and it helps them, good. But every CFAV is a bonus, regardless of rank (or rating) held.
 
I will be very proud if, based on 18 years Army Officer service including a pass at Junior Staff College, I am selected to be an Officer. Even have my (retired 2 1/2) brother in law’s sword offered for parades.

However if Officer rank (Lt (SCC)) requested on basis of prior experience & according to SCC Regs is denied I’ll be happy to serve as a PO. I’ve asked myself long & hard about whether doing this is about getting the dressing up box out, & concluded it isn’t so bring on rank/rate as appropriate!
It is always the one one question I’ve asked of myself when I’m no longer a regular and will be a vet, as a member of the SCC, what is the point in commissioning? Why would I want to be an officer other than it would seem to join a club where you have influence because of a ring and some letters when you’re just there to teach, coach and mentor.
 
It’s ongoing. Still waiting for DBS to be checked off before I can even be enrolled officially!

I’ve heard of a Potential Instructor at my Unit who sacked the whole idea after a year of being kept hanging. A good egg, I’m told, with some experience.

Think it might make a difference having some instructors with some grey hair who are not very recent Cadets & a bit more in the way of sea stories than, “this one time, at Cadet Camp…” ;)
 
My local unit is in turmoil with instructors etc. to the point where I'm not sure it will last, speaking to the old CO she suggested staying clear... its too pink and fluffy and you will spend a lot of time biting your tongue.

I support where I can from an RNA position, but its a totally different association from my time in the 80's.
 
As there seems to be a bit of delay sorting out whether I come in based on my Army Commission have been issued some No4s & Civilian Instructor slides. It was explained that this would help the Cadets understand who I am.

Also suspect this is because CO fed up with me mincing round on deck shoes, shorts & either Unit polo shirt or RNRU jersey. If all the other staff are going to be redders in uniform why shouldn’t I be ;)
 
As there seems to be a bit of delay sorting out whether I come in based on my Army Commission have been issued some No4s & Civilian Instructor slides. It was explained that this would help the Cadets understand who I am.

Also suspect this is because CO fed up with me mincing round on deck shoes, shorts & either Unit polo shirt or RNRU jersey. If all the other staff are going to be redders in uniform why shouldn’t I be ;)
I still don’t see the point in CI rig. You can’t wear it outside of unit, and it defeats the point of being a “non-uniformed” instructor…. To be fair though I don’t see the point in non-uniformed instructors in a uniformed organisation either.
 
I still don’t see the point in CI rig. You can’t wear it outside of unit, and it defeats the point of being a “non-uniformed” instructor…. To be fair though I don’t see the point in non-uniformed instructors in a uniformed organisation either.
It is a strange one! The more so as CIs are supposed (as I understand it) to bring specialist skills to a Unit like AT or boating qualifications & I have neither.

Still, I’ll feel more part of the Unit in rig, & the Cadets won’t question the title.
 
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