SCC HQ: Beasting is banned

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Title says it all really, I have it on good authority that SCC HQ are banning the use of beastings in punishments, i.e. usually press-ups running etc. to cadets. Now how do they propose we punish cadets quickly? Furthermore why have the banned it? Causing mental harm to the cadets?

Also like to point out how bad some cadets of today are, (I am one of them) the other night we were doing drill training with our local SCC Unit for a combined bit of drill (two seperate squads though) on Trafalgar Day, so they've come to our Marine Parade Night for drill training with the L98 Rifle (Cadet Version of the SA80), one of the SCC is fallen into the parade of which I was the senior cadet in front, and is talking away to his oppo, standing poorly to attention etc, so I go upto him and say "Less of your chat, ginge, gate and back double away!"
This ginger cadet then starts complaining about being called a ginger, and barges out of the parade and has a sulk outside.

I am later told by the SCC PO that he does not like being called ginger, I could not care less to be honest, when he is fallen in on a parade I am taking, he can be called what I choose if he does not fall in properly, but SCC Rules now say their feelings must be taken into account, what rubbish!
 

andym

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When i was an adult Instructor in the SCC at Hertford,i addressed this very problem.I took the old "numbers" system of Puns and adated them to the needs of the Unit.i.e depending on the severity the appropriate puns were awarded.These ranged from Extra Duties in and around the Unit from litter picking to boat and unit maintainance,you know,the little jobs that Cadets run a mile from doing.It worked really well,in fact some cadets actually started to volunteer to do the more dirty and onerous tasks such as scraping and painting.The behaviour did improve as did the Drill(we had extra drill as a puns).The PFA were all for it as well.
 
andym said:
When i was in the SCC at Hertford,i addressed this very problem.I took the old "numbers" system of Puns and adated them to the needs of the Unit.i.e depending on the severity the appropriate puns were awarded.these ranged from Extra Duties in and around the Unit from litter picking to boat and unit maintainance,you know,the little jobs that Cadets run a mile from doing.It worked really well,in fact some cadets actually started to voounteer to do the more dirty and onerous tasks such as scraping and painting.The behaviour did improve as did the Drill(we had extre drill as a puns).

That sounds sensible. How about promoting Ginge to Captain of the Heads for a month?
 

SILVER_FOX

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Personally I think Booty_Cdt_Sgt is being an idiot here. Who died and elected him Hitler anyway?

If he has to resort to name calling then he is acting equally as bad, if not worse. After all - he holds the position of authority and by default should be setting the right example. Besides there are always better ways of dishing out appropriate punishment that don't necessarily involve beasting.

SF
 
Booty_Cdt_Sgt said:
Title says it all really, I have it on good authority that SCC HQ are banning the use of beastings in punishments, i.e. usually press-ups running etc. to cadets. Now how do they propose we punish cadets quickly? Furthermore why have the banned it? Causing mental harm to the cadets?

Also like to point out how bad some cadets of today are, (I am one of them) the other night we were doing drill training with our local SCC Unit for a combined bit of drill (two seperate squads though) on Trafalgar Day, so they've come to our Marine Parade Night for drill training with the L98 Rifle (Cadet Version of the SA80), one of the SCC is fallen into the parade of which I was the senior cadet in front, and is talking away to his oppo, standing poorly to attention etc, so I go upto him and say "Less of your chat, ginge, gate and back double away!"
This ginger cadet then starts complaining about being called a ginger, and barges out of the parade and has a sulk outside.

I am later told by the SCC PO that he does not like being called ginger, I could not care less to be honest, when he is fallen in on a parade I am taking, he can be called what I choose if he does not fall in properly, but SCC Rules now say their feelings must be taken into account, what rubbish!

you got off lightly, I'd have decked you. Who gave you the right to decide what offends someone? They are only kids after all. There are better ways to motivate teenagers rather than shouting at them. If thats what you think you have to do, or worse enjoy doing, you need to seriously consider your position. Been watching too much Bad Lads Army perhaps. Get real, we don't live in 1950 anymore.
 

GCYZ

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fullasternboth said:
Booty_Cdt_Sgt said:
Title says it all really, I have it on good authority that SCC HQ are banning the use of beastings in punishments, i.e. usually press-ups running etc. to cadets. Now how do they propose we punish cadets quickly? Furthermore why have the banned it? Causing mental harm to the cadets?

Also like to point out how bad some cadets of today are, (I am one of them) the other night we were doing drill training with our local SCC Unit for a combined bit of drill (two seperate squads though) on Trafalgar Day, so they've come to our Marine Parade Night for drill training with the L98 Rifle (Cadet Version of the SA80), one of the SCC is fallen into the parade of which I was the senior cadet in front, and is talking away to his oppo, standing poorly to attention etc, so I go upto him and say "Less of your chat, ginge, gate and back double away!"
This ginger cadet then starts complaining about being called a ginger, and barges out of the parade and has a sulk outside.

I am later told by the SCC PO that he does not like being called ginger, I could not care less to be honest, when he is fallen in on a parade I am taking, he can be called what I choose if he does not fall in properly, but SCC Rules now say their feelings must be taken into account, what rubbish!

you got off lightly, I'd have decked you. Who gave you the right to decide what offends someone? They are only kids after all. There are better ways to motivate teenagers rather than shouting at them. If thats what you think you have to do, or worse enjoy doing, you need to seriously consider your position. Been watching too much Bad Lads Army perhaps. Get real, we don't live in 1950 anymore.

If I was your CO you would be Ex-Booty_Cdt_Sgt right now.
Just out of Interest, what would you call someone who is Black or Asian or Irish? or is that different?
 

dunkers

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In my time as a cadet (Jan 02 - Feb 06) it was my understanding all physical punishments were not permitted; only those punishments outlined in the White Guide (the cadet discipline manual) were allowed, and these did not include anything physical.

Silver Fox (and others), the point I think BCdtSgt is trying to make is not that name-calling should be allowed, but that such stringent constraints on discipline methods lead to cadets being unable to handle the slightest affront to their dignity. Case in point: a kid not being able to laugh off or simply disregard being called "ginger". How does this prepare them for life? - it doesn't.

I would say that this is indicative of the youth of today... but then I AM the youth of today and it doesn't apply to me, nor my oppo the Cadet Sgt. We must be anomalies :lol:

Those of you who say they are "just kids" - I remind you that there have been "kids" of that age (14+) in the RN within many of your lifetimes. Bear that in mind.
 

slim

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I think we should get real. What is a bit of name calling. Nicknames are part of service life and if Ginge or whatever he is called does go and join the services he will have to endure more than a few names. Tall guys are called shorty, stumpy guys either Lofty or Stumpy, Fat guys and I am speaking from experience slim or as an oppo of mine was called Twiggy. He ended up as Master of Arms and yes he still answered to the name of Twiggy. As for the black guys we had two aircraft handlers on the Ark Royal who drove the flight deck lifts. One was called Snowflake the other Snowdrop. Neither took offence at this and none was meant. The Irish, well they were always Paddy or Mick. Nicknames were part of service life in my day and hopefully still are and will remain so. if you can't stand hurt feelings how are you going to respond to real pain?
 

dt018a9667

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dunkers said:
In my time as a cadet (Jan 02 - Feb 06) it was my understanding all physical punishments were not permitted; only those punishments outlined in the White Guide (the cadet discipline manual) were allowed, and these did not include anything physical.

Silver Fox (and others), the point I think BCdtSgt is trying to make is not that name-calling should be allowed, but that such stringent constraints on discipline methods lead to cadets being unable to handle the slightest affront to their dignity. Case in point: a kid not being able to laugh off or simply disregard being called "ginger". How does this prepare them for life? - it doesn't.

I would say that this is indicative of the youth of today... but then I AM the youth of today and it doesn't apply to me, nor my oppo the Cadet Sgt. We must be anomalies :lol:

Those of you who say they are "just kids" - I remind you that there have been "kids" of that age (14+) in the RN within many of your lifetimes. Bear that in mind.

Got a good point there. I think you might be addressing some of the problems that are now hitting basic training at that place in torpoint as I am lead to believe.
Don’t forget we are talking about today’s bleeding heart generation and anything seams to upset them.
 
I've found a far easier way of 'punishing' the cadets, just make them stand out side the CO's office during stand easy,

or better still just threaten it, amazing what a denial of a sugar rush can do to a teenager!
 
In the real world outside the protective cushioning of home and mummy's hand, people are often cruel and nasty and name calling all part of life. Workplace bullying is still common these days and name calling is part of that ethos. Being called Ginger is positivly unoffensive in contrast to the sort of things we called each other when I was at school in the 60s and 70s. Even the teachers at my secondary school thought nothing of mocking pupils and humiliating you in front of tha class - it was the way things were in boys' schools then. How are these kids going to cope with the big bad world if they cannot handle trivial name calling in this specific context in a quasi-Service setting? They are seriously deluding themselves!

Secondly, I don't see how making them double round the Parade Ground or do press-ups can be deemed to amount to physical punishment. I can see nothing wrong in making them perform minor punishments such as these. They are not being assaulted - that would be unacceptable.
 
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