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  1. Does the RN still award Salvage money?During my 12, I think I remember one ship being awarded some salvage money for all the crew.
    I think it was a carrier,Centaur or Bulwark rings a bell.
    On the Chichester off Milford Haven a freighter caught fire and off we went to rescue her but down she went.
    Remembered because not only did the Skipper not want to get within 500 yards of the burning ship with a brand new Frigate[so our hoses fell 400 yards short,]he sent the whaler away to get the crew and promptly ran the Chichester over the whaler!
    Freighter Skipper sneered at us all as the passed by in a lifeboat “Bloody Boy Scouts!†in his best Scouse accent until someone yelled backâ€We still have our ship,you ain't!] shut him up but I wondered about salvage because,surely,the ships that capture all that cocaine in the WI should have some reward in the place of salvage.
    A £100 each would be a fair reflection of their efforts.
     
  2. Seafarer

    Could that incident involving HMS Chichester have been in 1958?
     
  3. Looking up my old papers,if I can find them,but I'm pretty sure it was 59 but I suppose it could be 58.
    I'll know later,it was when the Chichester first commissioned,picked her up at Rosyth down too Pompey and then exercises around Milford Haven when the ship went down.
    I suppose the skipper was being careful,he came over the tannoy saying that he could not risk a million pounds worth of warship for a sinking ship.
    Most thought it was poor ship handling,we could have got closer,it was small freighter not a tanker.
    I'll check it out but you could be right 58/59 if it was just after the ships commission.
     
  4. HMS Bulwark - September 1958 - SS Melika - SS Fernand Gilabert
     
  5. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    I suspect that nabbing a boatload of cocaine is not legally 'salvage'. The drill was to get the skipper of the boat in trouble to sign "Lloyd's Open Form of Salvage Agreement" before you helped him. MoD could then claim against the owners (in actuality their insurers).

    On the one happy day that I had a drive in Highburton (because the CO was otherwise engaged ashore), returning to Portland I came out of a fog bank to see a medium size Yugoslav tanker stationary with two black balls up. Yippee, I thought, she should cut up nicely for a CMS. Signalman! Make to her 'Do You Require Assistance?'. She immediately took down her balls and went on her way. And we didn't get rich, that day or any other.
     
  6. I had one salvage payment in the mid 80s worth a month's pay at the time.

    I am fairly sure that the salvage payment system is still in force and presumably would be found in Queen's Regs if you can find a copy in a local library for instance.
     
  7. HMS London, Red Sea 1965

    Don't recall the detail but eventually rec'd a few £'s. s.d. for it
     
  8. From my service docs.
    "15 April '58. Salvage of MV RIGEL. DNA 3a/5/C.A. 5790/F 5915 of 9.4.58."
    Can't remember how much it was, but not quite enough to retire on. :lol:

    From the book "HMS Bulwark".
    "The ship anchored overnight at Milford Haven and sailed for Portsmouth the following day (28 Feb. 1956). At 1030 the Dutch motor vessel Rigel was sighted, broken down and in distress, and, in response to her request for assistance, Bulwark took her in tow to Milford Haven."

    So it took 26 months to sort that one out, no wonder the Trafalgar crews were a bit miffed with their £1-7s-6d prize money. :evil:

    2BM
     
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  9. Bulwark mid 70's. Towed half of a tanker(Stern section) into Gib. My cut as a Senior rate was about £28 quid. Paid after about three years.
    Roofs
    Give me time and I will remember the name of the ship :oops:
     
  10. HMS Zulu c1966 salvaged a Tanker just after I left her in the Middle East.
     
  11. you are right Sol,found my papers and I joined the brand new HMS Chichester 13/5/58 so it would be a couple of months after that I guess.
    Never seen a ship sink before a few hundred yards away.
    Later on when I did my NILE course[it was a week or more's course in those days] we had lists of all ships that sank[sunk?] and the speed was eye opening.
    Until I saw that small freighter sink I never thought of the limited time sailors had to abandon ship.
    Those below had no chance,some sank in a minute.
    To a farm boy the sight of a mass of steel sliding down was something I never forgot.
     
  12. In February 1956 I was a 17 yr old EM2 RNVR who joined HMS Bulwark in Belfast for just 2 weeks training. I remember being at anchor in Milford haven, a place where I once lived. I also remember taking in tow the Dutch Coaster
    M V Rigel.
    About 2 yrs later I was on board HMS Zest, as a National Service REM1, when my name was piped to report to the Ships Office. I reported and was told to hold out my hand, the last time I had to do this, was to be caned at school!
    Three Shillings and Ten pence was counted into my hand and I was told "Salvage Money, Well Done Lad."
    I was amazed and still am, at the record keeping of the Royal Navy showing that I was 'victual'd in' on Bulwark for only 2 weeks, then tracking me to Zest., and long before Computers were used.
    The entry on my Service Docs reads as follows - 9 Apr.'58 Paid 3s.10d Naval Prize (Salvage) money in respect of the salvage of MV "Rigel" by HMS Bulwark on 29 Feb '56.
    I have checked and '56 was a leap year. I wonder how much the Skipper was paid?
     
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  14. In February 1956 I was a 17 yr old EM2 RNVR who joined HMS Bulwark in Belfast for just 2 weeks training. I remember being at anchor in Milford haven, a place where I once lived. I also remember taking in tow the Dutch Coaster
    M V Rigel.
    About 2 yrs later I was on board HMS Zest, as a National Service REM1, when my name was piped to report to the Ships Office. I reported and was told to hold out my hand, the last time I had to do this, was to be caned at school!
    Three Shillings and Ten pence was counted into my hand and I was told "Salvage Money, Well Done Lad."
    I was amazed and still am, at the record keeping of the Royal Navy showing that I was 'victual'd in' on Bulwark for only 2 weeks, then tracking me to Zest., and long before Computers were used.
    The entry on my Service Docs reads as follows - 9 Apr.'58 Paid 3s.10d Naval Prize (Salvage) money in respect of the salvage of MV "Rigel" by HMS Bulwark on 29 Feb '56.
    I have checked and '56 was a leap year. I wonder how much the Skipper was paid?
     
  15. Levers_Aligned

    Levers_Aligned War Hero Moderator

    I was awarded salvage money in 2007 for the rescue of mv Nordkapp which hit an outcrop on the entrance to Deception Island in the Antarctic. The master has read the lines wrong, clipped the rocks and holed the vessel beneath the waterline. We evacuated about a third of their their passengers (the rest going to the mv Nordnorst) and escorted the ship into safer waters further up the peninsula. They had splitting in one of their pump rooms below and some hull deformation and the extent of damage to hull structure below couldn't be ascertained, so we shored the space up. The event went out on the BBC later that evening when we got back, completely knackered. I got to my cabin to find a 'guest' ... one of their passenger who'd been billeted with me ... butt naked in my bathroom sat on the bog. That wasn't called for.

    Footage is here.



    Me and a few others had to fill out an account and declaration and submit it and I received a few hundred quid about two years later.

    Levers
     
  16. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Seems a reasonable return for the trauma of having someone use one's bog.
     
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  17. Not if you had seen the size of the log the guest left:(
     
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