Navy Net - Royal Navy Community

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Sail Air Force

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
The RAF boat service had a base at Lyme Regis for years, they lost two of three of the boats by not securing them to the buoys properly, boats came adrift and were reduced to matchwood on the beach.

The old barracks is now used to house the boat building school.
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
One of these boats has been parked on the Hamble for many years (visible from the M27), presumably someone has rescued it!
 
janner said:
The RAF boat service had a base at Lyme Regis for years, they lost two of three of the boats by not securing them to the buoys properly, boats came adrift and were reduced to matchwood on the beach.

Tquote]

Oh sh1t, how are we going to explain that to the Boss?
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
After the second or third one they closed the station. Must have been an expensive hobby, beautiful boats fitted with, I believe, two Rolls Royce engines for main drive and a smaller auxilary engine, crying shame to see them reduced to matchwood.
 

danny

War Hero
What was the point? I know we have the FAA but thats actually of some use. Why ships in the RAF?
 
danny said:
What was the point? I know we have the FAA but thats actually of some use. Why ships in the RAF?

Started as air sea rescue for crabs that fell in the water (I assume they thought that as they tended to ignore the RN the RN would ignore their chaps in the water). They then used them I believe for range safety until they got bored with fast motor boats. The RN used on at Faslane fr many years to take sea riders from the base to the areas, but they consumed so much petrol, and expensive petrol at that that I think they found a helo service from Gannet cheaper.
 
Maxi_77 said:
danny said:
What was the point? I know we have the FAA but thats actually of some use. Why ships in the RAF?

Started as air sea rescue for crabs that fell in the water (I assume they thought that as they tended to ignore the RN the RN would ignore their chaps in the water). They then used them I believe for range safety until they got bored with fast motor boats. The RN used on at Faslane fr many years to take sea riders from the base to the areas, but they consumed so much petrol, and expensive petrol at that that I think they found a helo service from Gannet cheaper.

The Air Sea Rescue started during WWII, the RN had other problems at the time. Resuing downed pilots in the Channel was very entertaining at times, apparently the sqatters on the other side took exception to our boats in "their waters", and reacted accordingly, hence the need for something small and fast.
 
Crabman said:
Maxi_77 said:
danny said:
What was the point? I know we have the FAA but thats actually of some use. Why ships in the RAF?

Started as air sea rescue for crabs that fell in the water (I assume they thought that as they tended to ignore the RN the RN would ignore their chaps in the water). They then used them I believe for range safety until they got bored with fast motor boats. The RN used on at Faslane fr many years to take sea riders from the base to the areas, but they consumed so much petrol, and expensive petrol at that that I think they found a helo service from Gannet cheaper.

The Air Sea Rescue started during WWII, the RN had other problems at the time. Resuing downed pilots in the Channel was very entertaining at times, apparently the sqatters on the other side took exception to our boats in "their waters", and reacted accordingly, hence the need for something small and fast.

I always thought the speed was required because life expectancy even in the channel is not that great for even roughy toughy sailors never mind the nice clean living crabs.
 
If I remember rightly, in the North Sea even in summer survival time is about 15 minutes, so you are right speed is/was essential, even more so when some inconsiderate sodd is firing at you.

Sometime in the 80s a nav ejected from a Buccaneer near the ranges at Vlieland in January. He was in the water only a very few minutes, but his core temperature sank to a critical level.
 

Deckhead_Inspector

Lantern Swinger
As an RAF CCF cadet I went to sea in an RAF Pinnace from Tenby in 1977. I believe the boat section was wound up shortly after that. This vessel was used for range duties, Target and buoy maintenence, not target towing. it was not that fast. The coxon was a WO. Who some what disconcertingy insisted on calling me "Sir" dispite me only being a Cadet WO.
 
Crabman said:
If I remember rightly, in the North Sea even in summer survival time is about 15 minutes, so you are right speed is/was essential, even more so when some inconsiderate sodd is firing at you.

Sometime in the 80s a nav ejected from a Buccaneer near the ranges at Vlieland in January. He was in the water only a very few minutes, but his core temperature sank to a critical level.

Mmmm! A dry suit should have done better than that. It was what they were designed for. I would have given him an hour at least.

Oh, and the more I read about what RAF crews did during the war and how many bomber crews (50 per cent; that is 50,000) were lost the more I respect their sacrifice. Any organisation that tried to rescue them out of the water gets my total admiration.
 
wardmaster said:
Crabman said:
If I remember rightly, in the North Sea even in summer survival time is about 15 minutes, so you are right speed is/was essential, even more so when some inconsiderate sodd is firing at you.

Sometime in the 80s a nav ejected from a Buccaneer near the ranges at Vlieland in January. He was in the water only a very few minutes, but his core temperature sank to a critical level.

Mmmm! A dry suit should have done better than that. It was what they were designed for. I would have given him an hour at least.

He was wearing a dry suit, but was't wearing the bunny suit underneath, end result he was dry but freezing cold. According to the doc another 5 minutes at most and the chopper crew needn't have bothered.
 
Crabman said:
wardmaster said:
Crabman said:
If I remember rightly, in the North Sea even in summer survival time is about 15 minutes, so you are right speed is/was essential, even more so when some inconsiderate sodd is firing at you.

Sometime in the 80s a nav ejected from a Buccaneer near the ranges at Vlieland in January. He was in the water only a very few minutes, but his core temperature sank to a critical level.

Mmmm! A dry suit should have done better than that. It was what they were designed for. I would have given him an hour at least.

He was wearing a dry suit, but was't wearing the bunny suit underneath, end result he was dry but freezing cold. According to the doc another 5 minutes at most and the chopper crew needn't have bothered.

Ah! As I thought, he knew better than all the people who had gone to great efforts to design and produce the best gear. We've all met them, *******!
 

2badge_mango

War Hero
danny said:
What was the point? I know we have the FAA but thats actually of some use. Why ships in the RAF?

Recommend that you read the book, or try to obtain a copy of the film "The Sea shall not have Them", by John Harris, first published 1953.
An excellent yarn and a real insight into what the Air Sea Rescue crews did during the war.
Stirring stuff indeed!

2BM
 

Scran_Bag

War Hero
danny said:
What was the point? I know we have the FAA but thats actually of some use. Why ships in the RAF?

As a former Sailor in the RAF, I can shed a little more light on this topic.

The RAF Marine Branch was formed in 1918 to provide water-borne support to the flying side of the Service, i.e. Flying Boats.

The branch developed its Air Sea Rescue role just prior to WW2 & was responsible for the world-wide rescue of thousands of downed Allied Aircrew.

After the war, the Branch's role changed to include amongst other tasks, Anti- Submarine work, Torpedo & Sonar Buoy recovery, Target Towing, Range Safety & Anti-Terrorist support.

The Branch shrank rapidly, along with all the armed services, until, in 1986, it was finally disbanded and its work privatised. If anyone is interested, try this site for more information, www.asrmcs-club.com

Wierdly enough, my last posting before Demob was at HMS Fulmar, where the RAF provided and manned the Rescue Launch which was based at Lossiemouth.

RAF Marine Branch personnel were viewed as odd-balls by the "real " RAF & were known as " Web Foots".

I hope this helps answer the original question.
 

Scran_Bag

War Hero
For those R.N. historians amongst you, I've just done a little bit of looking up & can add that the RAF Marine Branch used several former R.N vessels whilst waiting for the M.O.D. to provide purpose built steel launches for use.

All of the following vessels were transferred into RAF hands and used for many years :-
HMS Bridport.
HMS Bridlington.
HMS Bottisham.
HMS Chelsham.
HMS Halsham.

They were all reclassified as Her Majesty's Air Force Vessels.

When the RAF Marine Craft Unit in Gibraltar closed in the early 80's, the launches were transferred into RN service, redesignated as HMS & became part of the Gibraltar Squadron.

How's that for being really boring?


:yawnstretch:
 
Scran_Bag said:
For those R.N. historians amongst you, I've just done a little bit of looking up & can add that the RAF Marine Branch used several former R.N vessels whilst waiting for the M.O.D. to provide purpose built steel launches for use.

All of the following vessels were transferred into RAF hands and used for many years :-
HMS Bridport.
HMS Bridlington.
HMS Bottisham.
HMS Chelsham.
HMS Halsham.

They were all reclassified as Her Majesty's Air Force Vessels.

When the RAF Marine Craft Unit in Gibraltar closed in the early 80's, the launches were transferred into RN service, redesignated as HMS & became part of the Gibraltar Squadron.

How's that for being really boring?


:yawnstretch:

I could have sworn reading in SROs sometime in the 70s (reading SROs- that IS boring/desparate) that the last of the air sea rescue units had disbanded. Reading your entries I am surprised that the navy element of the RAF lasted so long. Did the Marine Branch have strong representation in the MoD (Air) Mafia?
 

Scran_Bag

War Hero
Crabman said:
Scran_Bag said:
For those R.N. historians amongst you, I've just done a little bit of looking up & can add that the RAF Marine Branch used several former R.N vessels whilst waiting for the M.O.D. to provide purpose built steel launches for use.

All of the following vessels were transferred into RAF hands and used for many years :-
HMS Bridport.
HMS Bridlington.
HMS Bottisham.
HMS Chelsham.
HMS Halsham.

They were all reclassified as Her Majesty's Air Force Vessels.

When the RAF Marine Craft Unit in Gibraltar closed in the early 80's, the launches were transferred into RN service, redesignated as HMS & became part of the Gibraltar Squadron.

How's that for being really boring?


:yawnstretch:

I could have sworn reading in SROs sometime in the 70s (reading SROs- that IS boring/desparate) that the last of the air sea rescue units had disbanded. Reading your entries I am surprised that the navy element of the RAF lasted so long. Did the Marine Branch have strong representation in the MoD (Air) Mafia?

Crabman, during the Marine Branch's heyday, it was, if my memory serves me correctly, headed by a mere Wing Commander (Marine Branch ) & had only Deputy Directorate status., though it comprised a complete Trade Group, No7.

However as the Branch contracted during the 70's & early 80's, they appointed a Group Captain to its head who was ordered to organise its winding up & final disbandment in 1986.
:salut:
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
MoD_RSS Britain's second carrier sets sail for sea trials MoD News 0
soleil Express: "Sail From HMS Victory That Flew At Battle Of Trafalgar Is Tipped To Sell For £3,000" History 0
soleil Strategy Page: "Female Tars: Women Aboard Ship in the Age of Sail - Suzanne J. Stark" The Book Club 3
MoD_RSS News story: Former HMS Illustrious set to sail on her final voyage MoD News 1
MoD_RSS News story: Royal Navy's latest submarine to set sail this summer MoD News 2
soleil Herald Express: "Gorilla Sets Sail On Navy Patrol Ship" The Fleet 4
soleil RN: "Dragon Salutes Historic Sail Past By Cruise Liners In The Solent Murk" The Fleet 0
soleil Daily Record: "HMS Blyth Given Great Send-Off As Ship Sets Sail For Six Month Tour" The Fleet 3
MoD_RSS HMS Diamond sets sail on maiden deployment Current Affairs 4
MoD_RSS Navy minehunters sail for Gulf Current Affairs 0
MoD_RSS HMS Vigilant sets sail after refuel and upgrade Submariners 6
MoD_RSS HMS St Albans to sail up Thames Current Affairs 0
MoD_RSS HMS Daring sets sail on maiden deployment Current Affairs 8
soleil STV: "New Navy Destroyer Sets Sail From Glasgow" The Fleet 1
soleil London-SE1 Website: "Royal Navy Frigate HMS Sutherland To Sail Under Tower Bridge" The Fleet 5
soleil Shields Gazette: "Aircraft Carrier Section Set To Sail Away" The Fleet 0
MoD_RSS HMS Somerset sets sail for Horn of Africa Current Affairs 0
soleil Sail World: "Night Drama As Two Dutch Sailors Rescued By British Royal Navy" The Fleet Air Arm 12
soleil Dorset Echo: "Navy Training Units Sail Into Portland" SCC and URNU 1
MoD_RSS RFA Fort George sets sail on final voyage Current Affairs 0
MoD_RSS Sister ships sail the Solent Current Affairs 0
MoD_RSS HMS Iron Duke sets sail for the Gulf Current Affairs 1
soleil Herald: Devonport Survey Ship Sets Sail On Two Year Mission The Fleet 0
soleil RN Site: "Merseyside Officer To Sail Frigate Into Home City" The Fleet 10
soleil STV: "Glasgow-built Destroyer Sets Sail For Naval Base" The Fleet 0
soleil NW Mail: "Astute sets sail for first diving trials at sea" Submariners 3
soleil RFA Largs Bay to sail tomorrow RFA 1
witsend Astute set to sail Submariners 21
trelawney126 Worlds Largest Cruiseliner Sets Sail Current Affairs 14
popeye123 Ireland's sail training ship sinks Current Affairs 14
ukdaytona European Councilors Sail The Channel On Home Made Raft The Quarterdeck 5
D 2 day sail from plymouth to london any one else going Joining Up - Royal Navy Recruiting 27
S Sail To Antartica Sports and Adventure Training 2
C Fleet Air Arm documentary Films, Music, TV & All Things Artsy 0
MoD_RSS Call for evidence on 'Air Quality Partners' to support local authorities MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Royal Air Force A400M showcased in Kazakhstan MoD News 0
soleil FB: RNAS Culdrose: Lt Cdr Andrew ‘Tank’ Murray Clocks In Excess Of A Year – A Staggering 8,760 Hours - In The Air The Fleet Air Arm 31
MoD_RSS £2 million fund for local action on air quality MoD News 0
soleil Somerset Live: Royal Navy 'Legend' Still Flying After 50 Years And 9,200 Hours In The Air The Fleet Air Arm 2
soleil FB: Navy Wings: 'The Wrong Sort Of Air' ……......…..... The Fleet Air Arm 3
MoD_RSS CMA final decision on air traffic control charges MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Watch the world’s biggest military air show online MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Commander Strategic Command, General Sir Patrick Sanders’ Speech at the Air and Space Power Conference MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Defence Secretary keynote speech at the Air and Space Power Conference 2020 MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Defence Secretary Ben Wallace gives a speech at the Air and Space Power Conference MoD News 0
soleil Royal Navy International Air Day - Online - Saturday, July 11th 2020 The Fleet Air Arm 2
MoD_RSS Market exploration: air platform energy management technologies MoD News 0
D Interested in the Fleet Air Arm? The Fleet Air Arm 0
MoD_RSS Dstl release research on stability of COVID-19 in the air MoD News 0
MoD_RSS Greater Manchester to house to world's largest liquid air battery MoD News 0
Similar threads


















































Latest Threads

New Posts

Top