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Rumour: RFA to merge with RN?

dunkers

War Hero
Have heard a buzz that the RFA is to be merged into the RN. RFA ships to become HMS, RFA officers to become RN officers. (The first step towards this has already happened; RFA officers are to sit AIBs now.)

Anyone heard anything about this?
 

silverfox

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
dunkers said:
Have heard a buzz that the RFA is to be merged into the RN. RFA ships to become HMS, RFA officers to become RN officers. (The first step towards this has already happened; RFA officers are to sit AIBs now.)

Anyone heard anything about this?

RFA officers have been undergoing training at BRNC for some years now. Not all officers do it, and their 8 week syllabus is a very condensed version. But they are starting to integrate....
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
AFCO's now supply RFA recruiting literature & all RFA ratings undergo the Recruiting Test. We are now one of the first point of contact for RFA applicants.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
letthecatoutofthebag said:
Clearly there are a great deal of issues to resolve before this happens, not least qualifications and training - RN personnel don't know much about ballast and tanks and what not - but I think the merger will happen.

Ha! Really?
 

Karma

War Hero
silverfox said:
RFA officers have been undergoing training at BRNC for some years now.

Isn't there a small handful of RFA PWOs as well, ISTR a couple going through the A stream in the mid 90s.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
letthecatoutofthebag said:
Stoker boys might be able to hand a couple of thousand cz of fuel - but most of it is stored in compensated tanks and therefore has no effect on ballast. Your average tanker has considerably more fuel and not very many compensated tanks. Additionally, replenishment ships carrying stores and whatnot have cargo - which we have no expereince of. In order to comply with STCW, all the bridge watchkeeping offcers (note not the stokers nor egineer officers) would need to have the relevant ballast and cargo qualificaions something current RN personnel don't know much about & tracks.

Can't be arsed with a pissing contest, but T42s were the last ships we played compensated tanks with. The volume of fuel is completely irrelevant, the principles are identical.

Strangely the Ocean, Bulwark & Albion carry cargo, some of it with wheels too, oh & a big floody bit at the back for the latter two. Agreed the OOWs would need to do cargo tickets, but then it's about time they had civilian accredited tickets anyway- something the RN has stopped short of so as they don't lose them when qualified.
 

stumpy

War Hero
On a similar theme, given the reducing number of escorts shouldn't those RFA's fitted "for but not with" Seawolf, should now have it fitted?
 

Oil_Slick

War Hero
It will happen, they have been using the Knights as el cheapo gunboats in teh Carribean for a few years now,
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Decades ago BAE were trying to sell a containerised Seawolf system - lift it onboard, plug'n'play. Saw it at an RNEE in the eighties.
 

slim

War Hero
When I worked for BAe as a field engineer installing Phalanx on RN ships I suggested to my boss that we should offer a bolt on bolt off model for use on RFAs. At that time RFAs were unarmed and nothing came of it, now I suppose it would be a possibility.
Phalanx as opposed to Goalkeeper is very much a what you see is what you get system which could easily be fitted and removed at will.
 

avoiding_action

Lantern Swinger
Not too long ago on a visit to FLEET, we were told that all the Bay Class LSD(A)'s were going to be transfered over to the White Ensign over a four year period.

Used as floating classrooms to avoid the Jetty Bulge and get lots of all ranks OJT. Perhaps this is the start of the takeover????
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
letthecatoutofthebag said:
my point still stands that there will need to be quite a bit of cross-training if the RN takes responsibilitiy for the RFA's tankers - most of it for warfare officers.

Agreed, hopefully the RN bridge watchkeepers will finally get the ticket which will be recognised in the civilian industry too.
 

tonrus

Midshipman
The fact that the RN cannot man it's all it's present hulls whilst maintaining harmony is a fact that is not lost on the hierarchy. Taking over four additional hulls would be at the cost of other ships or activity. White Flagged LSDA's - not on my watch!
 

Karma

War Hero
BusterQuin said:
Is this a way of the politicians being able to say they have increased the size of the fleet?

RFA are already under command of CINC anyway, so it wouldn't have an impact on the hull numbers.
 
When it comes to man power new RFA rating are being brought on as RNR and the justification given is that they would be treated under the Geneva conventions when the Iranians kidnap them.

Civvies (AKA RFA) currently have no such protection.
 

avoiding_action

Lantern Swinger
tonrus said:
The fact that the RN cannot man it's all it's present hulls whilst maintaining harmony is a fact that is not lost on the hierarchy. Taking over four additional hulls would be at the cost of other ships or activity. White Flagged LSDA's - not on my watch!

I don't pretend to understand the workings out of our manpower experts in FLEET. However remember they are lean manned and according to the 3- ring expert, he could man the first one tomorrow!

And isn't TOPMAST a trial? might not last forever then there's a lot of squad members without bunks ashore!
 
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