R's to go by March?

dubaipusser

Lantern Swinger
brummiebloke said:
why dont they just leave the "R" on the right sleeve and replace the R on the left sleeve with an "L".
That way all those pillocks that have difficulty in drill will finally know which is there left and there right and stop everybody else looking like a bunch of aresholes :lol:
Yes, but then, because we are Navy, it should be P & S for Port and Starboard
 

Brains

Lantern Swinger
jesse650 said:
surely CMR is the same as the RN....as most of our senior officers are Regular serving officers?
by senior i'm talking about cpt and up
RNR captains/RMR Colonels are reservists and so is CMR. CMR's 'half-star' is a regular and some of the staff are too. CMR as an organisation is part of the RN structure but the 'top job' remains a reservist role.
 

WarMonger

War Hero
If the buzz about reducing our numbers "despite the reassurances" comes to pass then people may be handing their uniforms in not for tailoring but for the skip. If cuts are made and people are retained in line with current manning requirements i.e. the desperate shortage of JR's and SR's I would be concentrating on what appears to be more pressing issues rather than the "R" in a loop.

Seems to make sense when everyone Ive spoken to from units all over the country seems to think we are swamped with JO's who dont seem to have a definitive role..!! The next few months shoud be very revealing!

We either sit back and wait for the inevitable or we start making some noise and bringing some pressure on our masters to try and give us some proper guidance and leadership with regards to the future of the RNR!
 

RNRAWBOD

Badgeman
Just emailed my Jimmy and got the response: "Nothing heard - its all gone very quiet....All will be communicated in due course."

We also have a new boss shortly with a change in FOSNI as of 19 December...that might raise the question again.
 

Brains

Lantern Swinger
WarMonger said:
everyone Ive spoken to from units all over the country seems to think we are swamped with JO's who dont seem to have a definitive role..!!
Surely JOs are either doing their officers' initial training, or they are the junior members of specialisations that exist because the RN has identified a need.

The RNR does not provide a 'body' of men and women as such, but a pool of independents and if the roles are officer roles, such as sub ops, then it makes absolutely no difference what the ratio of officers to SRs to JRs is.

Saying that JOs don't have a definitive role is like saying that NEs and AB2s don't have a definitive role. Their difinitive role is to get good at doing something that the RN needs them to be able to do.

Ratios certainly do help the running of an RNRU as a ship, which can have a part to play in maintaining morale and delivering in-unit training, but the requirement is for capabilities, not for a self-contained hierarchy.

Getting back to the subject (shock!).... if they're doing a job for the RN, why should they look different? In working rig, killicks and SRs now have no distinguishing marks as reservists. I still say scrap the Rs, ABs 'RNR tabs' and the flashes, on everything including No.1s. 1s may not be rig of the day in Basra, but they are still worn in numerous working environments and not just for ceremonial occasions.
 

nutty_bag

War Hero
Brains said:
jesse650 said:
surely CMR is the same as the RN....as most of our senior officers are Regular serving officers?
by senior i'm talking about cpt and up
RNR captains/RMR Colonels are reservists and so is CMR. CMR's 'half-star' is a regular and some of the staff are too. CMR as an organisation is part of the RN structure but the 'top job' remains a reservist role.
I seem to remember there being a regular colonel who was CO of RMR london!!
 

dubaipusser

Lantern Swinger
Brains said:
WarMonger said:
everyone Ive spoken to from units all over the country seems to think we are swamped with JO's who dont seem to have a definitive role..!!
Surely JOs are either doing their officers' initial training, or they are the junior members of specialisations that exist because the RN has identified a need.

The RNR does not provide a 'body' of men and women as such, but a pool of independents and if the roles are officer roles, such as sub ops, then it makes absolutely no difference what the ratio of officers to SRs to JRs is.

Saying that JOs don't have a definitive role is like saying that NEs and AB2s don't have a definitive role. Their difinitive role is to get good at doing something that the RN needs them to be able to do.

Ratios certainly do help the running of an RNRU as a ship, which can have a part to play in maintaining morale and delivering in-unit training, but the requirement is for capabilities, not for a self-contained hierarchy.

Getting back to the subject (shock!).... if they're doing a job for the RN, why should they look different? In working rig, killicks and SRs now have no distinguishing marks as reservists. I still say scrap the Rs, ABs 'RNR tabs' and the flashes, on everything including No.1s. 1s may not be rig of the day in Basra, but they are still worn in numerous working environments and not just for ceremonial occasions.
Hurrah! Well done Brains - cracking good response.
 
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angrydoc

Guest
Without wanting to start a riot...

Why are you guys so keen to lose your Rs? Do you think that us Regulars think any differently of you because you have them? Are you not proud of the fact that you have a life outside the mob?

RAFR (or whatever they're called) have a pin thing they put on their rank slides to identify themselves, anthough granted the TA doesn't have anything (unless they wear slides with their Corps on them).

Cue riot...
 

hammockhead

Lantern Swinger
Please don't let's start again. Just assume it's not going to happen until you get an Admiralty Order in Council telling you otherwise .
 

dubaipusser

Lantern Swinger
hammockhead said:
Please don't let's start again. Just assume it's not going to happen until you get an Admiralty Order in Council telling you otherwise .
But surely that's all part of the fun of it - if we start again we can keep going round this same buoy for years and years and years and years and ...get the point?

Unless CMR comes out (in the non Gay-pride sense of course) and makes a definitive statement (one way or the other, it no longer matters which way they jump since the argument is no longer "should we lose them or not" but is now "will CMR tell us anything or not")
 

Manny

Badgeman
You are getting silly, CMR could not make a decision and then communicate it in a coherent manner to save their lives.
All we get is lengthy TMs telling us that Media Relations are now Media Operations - 3 pages of drivel, that added nothing.

And when they are not doing that, they are wasting our time with WUA, which are really paper audits that could happen during the week, or complaining that WUA happen every month and they have to work at a weekend.

If the issue is recruit (sorry forgot the AFCOs are now doing that), retain (sorry forgot there are no incentives to stay, just shag and hassle, and fighting JPA), deploy (sorry not sure about this, is there the budget).

The whole situation about the Rs (and flashes) is just indicative of poor indecisive management that is the CMR organisation through and through. Until the CMR is manned with high quality managers (both RN and RNR) then this will continue.
 

Captain_Jacks

Lantern Swinger
angrydoc said:
Without wanting to start a riot...

Why are you guys so keen to lose your Rs? Do you think that us Regulars think any differently of you because you have them? Are you not proud of the fact that you have a life outside the mob?

RAFR (or whatever they're called) have a pin thing they put on their rank slides to identify themselves, anthough granted the TA doesn't have anything (unless they wear slides with their Corps on them).

Cue riot...
I for one am proud that i can do the Navy job plus hold a full time career (and far far better paid!!)


I may have more people working for me in the navy, i have far more responsibility in my proper job. Something that the Navy forget that we have a responsible job which is far far more important than the navy!! :!:

People still judge people by their rank / rate. I know a few Ltcdrs (R) who think the navy is their world. 8O They and some more senior people forget that some of us have far more important jobs outside and the navy is still just a part time job (although with the workload it feels full time :evil: ) I for one would hate for people to think that i am just a ....

Keep the R or drop the R I dont care either way. If given the choice i would keep my R (i am also still a Jack Dusty at heart as well :p )
 
angrydoc said:
Without wanting to start a riot...

Why are you guys so keen to lose your Rs? Do you think that us Regulars think any differently of you because you have them? Are you not proud of the fact that you have a life outside the mob?



Cue riot...
I suspect this has as much to do with the change in/lack of direction in the RNR these days. Back when the RNR had/was MS10/MCM10 (I go back to MS10 days) there was a clear sense of purpose and the RNR and the RN both knew what the RNR could do and do bl**dy well as it happened. There was no clamour then to remove the 'R' in fact it was a badge of pride, and I was only a junior stoker then.

Whether the 'R' is there or not, you will always be Wavy Navy in an RN mess, that's life.

Peter
 
Dangermouse
i have it on good authority "top authority" that "R" s will be gone by October 07,,,, you heard it first here
 
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