Royal Navy welcomes Indian Navy to Portsmouth

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From Truth Central,yesterday; except it wasn't there yesterday (i'm sure the PR buggers update the Site at 2359 each day).

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...e/RoyalNavyWelcomesIndianNavyToPortsmouth.htm

An Indian Navy Task Group, led by the 6,700 ton destroyer INS Delhi arrived in Portsmouth to take part in an exercise with the Royal Navy, yesterday, Wednesday 17 June 2009.


Named after Indian's western coastal region, Exercise Konkan is an annual exercise between the Indian and Royal Navies conducted with the aim of building maritime interoperability and mutual understanding. The first Exercise Konkan was conducted in 2004.

Konkan 08 was conducted off Goa as part of the UK Orion task group deployment, led by the carrier HMS Illustrious.

Konkan 09 is the first to be conducted in UK waters and will be focused on Portsmouth with the sea phase taking place in the south coast exercise areas and the south west approaches.

The visiting Indian task group is under the command of Admiral Surinder Pal Singh Cheema, the Flag Officer Commanding Indian Western Fleet, based in Mumbai. Joining the INS Delhi in Portsmouth will be the frigates INS Beas and Brahmaputra and the tanker INS Aditya.

UK participants, commanded by Commodore Simon Ancona, include the frigates HMS Westminster and HMS Northumberland, the nuclear powered submarine HMS Trafalgar, the auxiliaries RFA Mounts Bay and RFA Fort Rosalie and an RAF Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft.

As part of the exercise a team of Indian Navy divers will also be conducting Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) training with the Plymouth-based Southern Diving Group
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My eye was particularly caught by;

There will also be an exchange of personnel to give individuals the opportunity to experience life at sea in another navy.
That's going to be a surprise for some lucky Tar! INS BEAS (as per the piccie), 3,850 tons and Complement of 400+ compared with HMS NORTHUMBERLAND, 4,900 tonnes and Complement of 185. I hope he/she likes company!

You wouldn't think a hardened up LEANDER Class would have enough upper space for all those Liferafts, would you?
 
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Does anyone else think that it is incredibly significant that they are exercising up here s opposed to us going down there - significant as one of the worlds new developing super-powers is extending its global reach, and realising how useful sea power really is. Wish our lot of fu*king idiots would wake up and realise.
 

sgtpepperband

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WBD: Not that significant - unless you're a conspiracy theorist - other than maintaining the 'entente cordiale' that our two nations have...
 
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He is right that India probably realises “how useful sea power really isâ€, unlike our “idiotsâ€. It is interesting that the IN outnumber us with offensive hulls in the water; an Aircraft Carrier, 8 Destroyers, 13 frigates, 24 Corvettes, 6 Patrol Vessels (over 1,500 ton, each) and 16 Diesel Submarines. It’s 4 years old now but http://www.marinetalk.com/articles-...pports-Local-Shipbuilding-xxx000110321OT.html

At present 23 major warships are under construction in India, from the 250 tonnes Fast Attack Craft to a 35,000 tonnes aircraft carrier. It's not just one shipyard that produces frigate-sized battleships. Along with the Magazon Docks in Mumbai, the Garden Reach shipyard in Kolkata has also adequate capabilities. The Navy needs five new ships a year to maintain its strength at 140 ships, while India's two defence shipyards produce just three ships a year. Thus, the Navy can barely hide its impatience with what it considers inefficient government dockyards, which could block its vision of a strategic outreach across the Indian Ocean. The lack of long-term planning is seen as a serious problem. A warship conceived today takes a decade to come into service. The warships needed in 2015 should be designed this year, and funds made available each year along the way. But the Navy's long-term planning draws no funding support from the Ministry of Defence. As a result, the defence shipyards get no advance warning of what projects are coming their way.
 
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I don't mean conspiracy theories. I'm more pointing out how different their World View is becoming (yeah I thikn it warrents capital letters ;) ) that they want to exercise 'here' as opposed to 'there'
 

Seaweed

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Expansion of the PLA(N) (Chinese navy) must have given the Indians furiously to think. This visit is also (perhaps) saying that the IN has begun to cultivate global reach. Also, some other signs already that India is beginning to see the Indian Ocean as Mare Nostrum. Come a long way from the East India Company's Bombay Marine.
 

Purple_twiglet

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"Does anyone else think that it is incredibly significant that they are exercising up here s opposed to us going down there - significant as one of the worlds new developing super-powers is extending its global reach, and realising how useful sea power really is. Wish our lot of fu*king idiots would wake up and realise"

So the large task group and permanent east of suez presence isnt good enough for you? Its the first time they've made it here for several years - we're able to keep vessels off the Indian coast daily without even thinking about it.
 
#11
Nope, it's not Twiglet, I want more, more MORE. But 'sea blindness' is a debate for another thread :D

What I meant was more along Seaweeds point I just chose an awful way of putting it :)
 
#13
A very large airline, which operates more 747s than any other, often sends these to India for heavy repairs.
The Indian engineers can fix things that western engineers would bin. Log book lists of non desperate faults are generally cleared when an aircraft departs an Indian station.
Pity about the look of the ship as the Leanders had a certain elegance about them; but look at our latest top heavy crop!
I hope the people of Pompey look after these guys and at least leave them the cab fare in their wallets 8O
 
#17
When the last IN task group was here for T200, they were very impressive, particularly how the crew behaved and their obvious pride in their ships. This time they've brought an AOR to play as well.

Definitely a navy on the up. I hope to god they don't see the material state of some or ours on the western jetties.............
 
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WhizzbangDai said:
Does anyone else think that it is incredibly significant that they are exercising up here s opposed to us going down there - significant as one of the worlds new developing super-powers is extending its global reach, and realising how useful sea power really is. Wish our lot of fu*king idiots would wake up and realise.
IN have had expeditionary aspirations for many years now, I remember hosting then in Portsmouth about 8 years ago. I think that was the last time that we exercised with them anywhere other than their home waters.

What they can't do is sustain the long reach for any significant period. Yet.

It's probably valid to identify our own weakness in that area, but we are supporting several standing expeditionary deployments on an enduring basis.

I was involved in Konkan a few years ago, great people and an entertaining experience. Our diplomatic relationship with India is improving, although that may be in part down to the recent reduction in soviet influence in South Asia.
 
#19
How much of the foreign aid of which Mr Brown is so fond of(and will not be subject to cuts) is diverted into the defence bugets of India & Pakistan to maintain their fleets?

Chill out its only a question!
 

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