ROYAL NAVY TO GET NO PENSION

percey99

Badgeman
Is it right , that servicemen who did less than 22 years service who left the RN before 1976 cannot get any pension , even though they will have been paying since the age of 18 and when they left the service ? If this is true then these men and women have been SEEN OFF ???? ... I have pay chits from HMS CENTURIAN saying Pension has been deducted ??? Who has had my money ? AND YOURS ??? they must have made millions out of us ???
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
percey99 said:
Is it right , that servicemen who did less than 22 years service who left the RN before 1976 cannot get any pension , even though they will have been paying since the age of 18 and when they left the service ? If this is true then these men and women have been SEEN OFF ????

If you left the RN between 1953 (?) and 1976 you get no pension.

PENSION GROUP
 

RoofRat

War Hero
I seem to remember the "Blue Liar" stating quite clearly, when I joined up in 62, that if you did 22 years you would be elligible for a pension, if you didn't you wouldn't get one.
Also that when you signed up it was for 9 and 3. Nine years full time and three years reserve. Any time served before your 18th birthday was deducted from your reserve time.
Simple really, you signed the papers back then. No 22 years, no pensh!
Sad, but a fact.
RoofRat
 

dondon

MIA
Well I never knew that , so glad I joined in 71 and left in 95 , that pension comes in handy so many times , :roll:
 
dondon said:
Well I never knew that , so glad I joined in 71 and left in 95 , that pension comes in handy so many times , :roll:

You mean you actually have some left after it being taxed as 'unearned income' 8O
 
I completed LS2 and qualify for mine next April, however, the info I have been given is that I will be lucky to see much of it for the reason I stated above. It is counted as 'unearned income' by the taxman, and I am in full employment.
:evil:
 

stumpy

War Hero
You are the lucky though, the new regs for pensions have really shafted new joiners. It makes me sick because I always believed that the military pension was not just a pension but also compensated you for two things:

1) Many people being kicked out at 40 or so.

2) Entering the housing market at 40 or so.

It is sickening to hear politicians say they support our soldiers/sailors/airmen etc while turning around and in effect giving a massive cut to their entitlements.

Those joining now will receive a much reduced pension when they retire, and will not be able to claim most of it until post 60 (or 65??). That would be fine, but I always beleived that part of the package of military pay was agreeing to not get a great pay packet, but have an excellent pension. The pension has been reduced, but there is no rise in pay.
 

UncleAlbert

War Hero
When I joined up in 59
And laid my life down on the line
I don’t remember being told
You’re alright son, you won’t grow old

At age 15 I took the shilling
Was young, naive and very willing
It’s boys time first, they said to me
Now pack your kit and get to sea.

At age 16 I went to war
A` fighting with the gunboat “Thorâ€
On seas that froze hard on the deck
But I was young so “what the heckâ€

At age 17 and far from home
A kitbag holding all I owned
Punching sprayers in the gloom
Of a Frigates boiler room

At age 18 I start the job
Welcome son, you’re in the mob
Your time starts now, so tell you what
In 2 years time you’ll get a tot

………

At 27 with life unfurled
I’d been two times around the world
“Thank you son, now you can go
Here’s something that you need to knowâ€

Your 12 years in was really 9
with 3 years taken off your time
No pension rights, you’ve got no clout.
Please close the door on your way out

Of course back then I didn’t see
As I was just a big OD
Now as their lordships sit and scoff
I realise they seen me off.


…………..
boo hoo
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
UncleAlbert said:
When I joined up in 59
And laid my life down on the line
I don’t remember being told
You’re alright son, you won’t grow old

At age 15 I took the shilling
Was young, naive and very willing
It’s boys time first, they said to me
Now pack your kit and get to sea.

At age 16 I went to war
A` fighting with the gunboat “Thorâ€
On seas that froze hard on the deck
But I was young so “what the heckâ€

At age 17 and far from home
A kitbag holding all I owned
Punching sprayers in the gloom
Of a Frigates boiler room

At age 18 I start the job
Welcome son, you’re in the mob
Your time starts now, so tell you what
In 2 years time you’ll get a tot

………

At 27 with life unfurled
I’d been two times around the world
“Thank you son, now you can go
Here’s something that you need to knowâ€

Your 12 years in was really 9
with 3 years taken off your time
No pension rights, you’ve got no clout.
Please close the door on your way out

Of course back then I didn’t see
As I was just a big OD
Now as their lordships sit and scoff
I realise they seen me off.


…………..
boo hoo
:lol: :lol:
 

harryaitch

Lantern Swinger
dondon said:
Well I never knew that , so glad I joined in 71 and left in 95 , that pension comes in handy so many times , :roll:

As a someone who did 62-74 and has no pension can you lend me 10 bob from yours. :roll:
 
stumpy said:
You are the lucky though, the new regs for pensions have really shafted new joiners. It makes me sick because I always believed that the military pension was not just a pension but also compensated you for two things:

1) Many people being kicked out at 40 or so.

2) Entering the housing market at 40 or so.

It is sickening to hear politicians say they support our soldiers/sailors/airmen etc while turning around and in effect giving a massive cut to their entitlements.

Those joining now will receive a much reduced pension when they retire, and will not be able to claim most of it until post 60 (or 65??). That would be fine, but I always beleived that part of the package of military pay was agreeing to not get a great pay packet, but have an excellent pension. The pension has been reduced, but there is no rise in pay.

Exactly! Same position for all public sector workers. I wrote to my MP (John Horam) about this precise point last year and got the standard Ministerial letter back which ignored the question completely and instead consisted of government spin - paid for by the taxpayer! My employer has said for years that we get low pay in return for generous pensions upon retirement. Now they want to renege on this. The Tories are talking about going even futher and converting the nominal value of our pensions into capital and making us invest in private pensions - or at least that is the logic of their rhetoric. Where will this capital come from if the state cannot afford it? Will it truly reflect the promises made to us, or will it be another stitch up?

Incidentally I'm sorry about those of you not entitled to a pension despite having worked & contributed to it. That's disgraceful! I remember reading about this on Godfrey Dykes website - quite astonishing. Politicians won't change the rules though - it would establish a precident for all the other groups of workers who have been discriminated against over the years by unfair pensions law and be very costly indeed. The crucial question is, were you told that you would receive a pension when you joined after completing you standard contract of 12 years from the age of 15 or did you simply take it as given? Was there any specific mention about the pension and its terms in the naval contract you signed, and have the navy broken their part of that contract?

Poem excellent and thought provoking... :D
 
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