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Royal Navy orders Spanish ship out of Gibraltar

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
sussex2 said:
Ponder this:
How irked would UK citizens be if the tail end, shall we say the Lizard peninsular, was owned by a foreign power due to a treaty signed yonks ago.
The Guardia Civil have vested interest in the place for a few reasons:
It should, according to them, be part of Spain.
A vast amount of drugs which appear in the country find their way through there.
The place has steadfastedly ignored human rights issues that the rest of the EU (Gib is not a member) take for granted.
And, the place looks like Crawley on speed!


Dear Sussex, you appear to have 'forgotten' the Spanish enclaves of Melilla and Cueta and the Parsley orParsnip Islands(?) on Moroccan soil. As do the Spaniards conveniently whenever the question of Gib comes up.

Also, further down the tread, in response to coming and going, it is ALWAYS more problematic coming back into Spain. Every so often the Border Guards have a work to rule day, which means it can take 2 or 3 hours to get back off the Rock.

Those of you that remember Gib from the 'old' days or even just a few years ago would notice HUGE differences. It is basically just a day stop for huge cruise ships, though most of the old pubs are still there, but very expensive.
 
(granny) said:
It appears to me that YOU are already in the slanging match mode. I would think that anyone should be permitted to offer their opinion on any subject that is posted. Don't presume to tell anyone what they can or can't post. (Or are you just after a bite?)

Is that the sum total of your contribution to this topical discussion about the somewhat strained relations between our country and a fellow member of NATO and the EU with regard to Gibraltar? Despite my appeal specifying no one in particular, the cap obviously fits or you wouldn't have been so eager to put it on. Yet another tedious post that's off-topic, unconstructive, personally insulting and, above all, boring; in fact, lacking any saving grace at all.

Thanks to all those others who have produced an otherwise relevant, educational and enjoyable thread; I feel much better informed as a result. Having crossed from Gib to the Spanish enclave of Ceuta in Morocco for a day trip to Tetuan and Tangier two years ago, the irony did not escape me.
 

(granny)

RIP
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Naval_Gazer said:
(granny) said:
It appears to me that YOU are already in the slanging match mode. I would think that anyone should be permitted to offer their opinion on any subject that is posted. Don't presume to tell anyone what they can or can't post. (Or are you just after a bite?)

Is that the sum total of your contribution to this topical discussion about the somewhat strained relations between our country and a fellow member of NATO and the EU with regard to Gibraltar? Despite my appeal specifying no one in particular, the cap obviously fits or you wouldn't have been so eager to put it on. Yet another tedious post that's off-topic, unconstructive, personally insulting and, above all, boring; in fact, lacking any saving grace at all.

Thanks to all those others who have produced an otherwise relevant, educational and enjoyable thread; I feel much better informed as a result. Having crossed from Gib to the Spanish enclave of Ceuta in Morocco for a day trip to Tetuan and Tangier two years ago, the irony did not escape me.

What happened to the 'no slanging match', you seem to be partaking a little yourself. I apologise if my post irked you somewhat, but I also have done my share of patrolling Algeciras bay, even though it was an awful long time ago. Things don't seem to change. I expect that Spain will keep on claiming sovereignty over Gib until the EU decides, as they seem to do on everything. If the people in this country were as pro-british as the Gibraltarians have been we would be in a better state.
 

Dicky

Lantern Swinger
Gib yet again: It's about as interesting as the blind man in the darkened room looking for the black cat which isn't there....YAWN.....
 
angry_mac said:
Aside to this, when I was there in 2001, the Royal Marines on one of the LPD/LPH exercised beach landings on Gibraltar, unfortunately they got it wrong and invaded La Linea, to the consternation of the local civil guardia. Ironic really when Gibraltar forms a massive part of RM history they cant even chuffing find it in sunny daylight.

Ahhh, if I remember that was all a fiendish plot by Jack to get Royal into trouble, supplying them dodgy charts and maps........honest :oops:
 

scouse

War Hero
NotmeChief said:
See now, back in the 60s, - oh someone don't want to hear that, ah well, Bomb them then. :)
:wink: :wink: slightly off topic Ha! Ha! Back in the 60s the Victorious and escorts were ordered out of Malta for the weekend!!!! Some jolly/jack had beat up one of Don Mintoff relatives :roll: :roll:
 
SONAR-BENDER said:
sussex2 said:
Ponder this:
How irked would UK citizens be if the tail end, shall we say the Lizard peninsular, was owned by a foreign power due to a treaty signed yonks ago.
The Guardia Civil have vested interest in the place for a few reasons:
It should, according to them, be part of Spain.
A vast amount of drugs which appear in the country find their way through there.
The place has steadfastedly ignored human rights issues that the rest of the EU (Gib is not a member) take for granted.
And, the place looks like Crawley on speed!


Dear Sussex, you appear to have 'forgotten' the Spanish enclaves of Melilla and Cueta and the Parsley orParsnip Islands(?) on Moroccan soil. As do the Spaniards conveniently whenever the question of Gib comes up.

Also, further down the tread, in response to coming and going, it is ALWAYS more problematic coming back into Spain. Every so often the Border Guards have a work to rule day, which means it can take 2 or 3 hours to get back off the Rock.

Those of you that remember Gib from the 'old' days or even just a few years ago would notice HUGE differences. It is basically just a day stop for huge cruise ships, though most of the old pubs are still there, but very expensive.

Ceuta and Melilla? I hope Spain keeps them for a very long time. Some of the best people in the vine growing business hail from there :drunken:
 
Surely, this testing the water practice is to be expected? From what I hear, the border is becoming a less-vexed question, as the entrance to Gib in the future will be via a tunnel dug under the eastern end of the Gibraltar International Airport (RAF Gib) runway, with full Spanish support.

When Ocean's RM contingent "invaded" La Linea in that "Oops, sorry Senor!" moment, the Spanish police were more than a little amused and I don't remember it being seen as anything other than a cock-up. Having driven round southern Spain quite a bit during my experiences in the haemorrhoid of Southern Europe, I'd say that your average Spaniard does not even recognise the name "Gibraltar", other than as a description of the Campo de Gibraltar area. The Rock, as we know it, is known as Il Diente (the Tooth - pardon me if the spelling is not correct).
 
asst_dep_to_dep_asst said:
Surely, this testing the water practice is to be expected? From what I hear, the border is becoming a less-vexed question, as the entrance to Gib in the future will be via a tunnel dug under the eastern end of the Gibraltar International Airport (RAF Gib) runway, with full Spanish support.

When Ocean's RM contingent "invaded" La Linea in that "Oops, sorry Senor!" moment, the Spanish police were more than a little amused and I don't remember it being seen as anything other than a cock-up. Having driven round southern Spain quite a bit during my experiences in the haemorrhoid of Southern Europe, I'd say that your average Spaniard does not even recognise the name "Gibraltar", other than as a description of the Campo de Gibraltar area. The Rock, as we know it, is known as Il Diente (the Tooth - pardon me if the spelling is not correct).

I'd say you have it about bang on from the Spanish perspective.
Just at the moment they seem to be usefully employed elsewhere:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8021795.stm

They seem pretty happy with their lot:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_t00hubtpFRg/SJXth4QNYJI/AAAAAAAAANQ/gNZtnNLScbo/armada+114.jpg
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I was in Gib at the same time as "Angry Mac", which was when the Tireless reactor incident occurred. The political relationship between Spain and Britain was a little sensitive at the time, I see to remember, which was reflected by the attitude of the Customs/Immigration officers at the border - British personnel (especially HM Forces) were inconvenienced by overbearing guards, who seemed to take pleasure in causing as much grief as possible... :oops: :roll:

Mind you, it didn't bother me in the slightest - I have dual nationality, so when crossing the Border I just flashed my Irish passport instead: "Welcome to Spain, Senor... hasta la vista!" :cool:
 
sgtpepperband said:
British personnel (especially HM Forces) were inconvenienced by overbearing guards, who seemed to take pleasure in causing as much grief as possible... :oops: :roll:

Sorry mate....The irony just made me smile :p
 
angry_mac said:
Aside to this, when I was there in 2001, the Royal Marines on one of the LPD/LPH exercised beach landings on Gibraltar, unfortunately they got it wrong and invaded La Linea, to the consternation of the local civil guardia. Ironic really when Gibraltar forms a massive part of RM history they cant even chuffing find it in sunny daylight.

Any former matelots on here recall the booties invading Gib, only to be mopped up by the local Gib based Regiment ?
Happened sometime in the 70s I think?

:lol:

I take it that this Guardia boat is the successor to Smokey Joe, the old Spanish coal fired ship that used to threaten us daily ?
 

2badge_mango

War Hero
I couldn't possibly comment, lest I might incur the wrath of some smug know-all who seems to think he's at liberty to impose an age limit on contributions to this forum.

2BM
 
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