#1
Hello.

I'm currently considering a career as a medical officer in the navy, and I'm exploring options for what to do during uni. I'm trying to choose between the RNR, RMR, and (if I get the offer from a university that has one) a URNU.

I'm interested in joining as a medical officer, and possibly serving with the Royal Marines. I've heard to do so, you practically need a green lid.

If that isn't the case, would URNU or the RNR be a better option if I have the choice? I'd also be applying for a cadetship.
 

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#2
I'd put it out of your head that you'll need a Green Lid to serve as an MO with the Corps, though it would certainly do your cred no end of good.

One key factor would be having an RNR unit within striking distance of where you were a medical student. The URNU can actually be quite difficult to get into and is typically oversubscribed, whereas the RNR will take you if you tick all the requisite boxes.


Perversely, as they have P2000s, you may spend more time at Sea in the URNU.


Time spent in the RNR now may help your progression towards AIB and Cadetship. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Cadetship is paid from year 3. @Ninja_Stoker can confirm or deny.

Given the choice, go RNR. The URNU , believe it or not, is not really a recruiting organisation.

You may have unwittingly just reopened up the URNU debate that haunts these forums from time to time...
 
#3
Aye, cadetships are paid from year 3 of five year MBChB, or year 4 of MBChB with an intercalculated degree.

As for units, all possible universities (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee) are in close proximity to a RNR unit, a RMR unit and three of the four have URNUs, I think? Either way, the RNR is available no matter which uni.
 

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#4
Aye, cadetships are paid from year 3 of five year MBChB, or year 4 of MBChB with an intercalculated degree.

As for units, all possible universities (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee) are in close proximity to a RNR unit, a RMR unit and three of the four have URNUs, I think? Either way, the RNR is available no matter which uni.

Good to see you've done your research.... mind you, you seem to be using the adjective 'close' in it's Scottish sense lol
 
#5
For Glasgow, Edinburgh and Dundee, its less than an hour's ride away. Just hope I don't have only Aberdeen left! If I do, then my nearest unit is actually RMR I think. Being forced to become a bootie for five years.
 

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#6
As stated the practical requirement for a medical officer to gain a green beret is nil.

The aim of the RMR is to flexibly augment the trained strength of the regular Corps in an operational capacity...not, to put it bluntly, provide green berets for personal kudos. That said, it is a familiar path trodden by a fair number of medical students aspiring to join the Navy. The tip? Do it in your first year if you are going to do it.

Practical application of the green skills acquired are virtually nil, nor has it ever stopped non-Commando doctors serving in 3 Commando Brigade previously as until recently, females were not given the opportunity to join the RMR but still serve in 3 Brigade without issue.

URNU is specifically aimed at students as the name implies and actually does now include recruitment in its mission statement after many years claiming otherwise. Out of the 14 URNUs & 700 officer cadets, we get about 28 a year joining the RN, last time I viewed the stats. If you get a cadetship or bursary off the RN and don't join the RNR or RMR, you are guaranteed a place in an URNU and expected to attend where practical.

RNR gives you the opportunity to take and pass all elements of RN Officer selection & transfer seamlessly into the RN upon registration as a doc which is particularly useful if you don't get a medical cadetship.

Ultimately geography, availability and personal preference will determine the choice as you are clearly already aware.

Good luck.
 

CmdKeen

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#8
I've only ever encountered doctors with green lids who have done the RMR route. However filed away at the back of my mind is an old RN website post that quoted an RNR Surgeon Sub Lieutenant going through the RMR commando course.

Now that might be that he was in the RMR but hit the medical cadetship before doing the course and therefore theoretically moved onto the RNR's books. It may be that he joined the RNR but petitioned to do the commando course like the chaplain mentioned in the article.

Might be one to ask about, along with how much of the RNR YO pipeline you would need to do. Those who are already qualified as doctors only do Phase 1A (up to BRNC) but not the rest. As a medical student I suspect we would put you through Phase 1B (sea time and Fleet Board) and Phase 2 which would provide some useful insights that you wouldn't get from the full time professionally qualified officer route.
 

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#9
Cmd Keen has it. If you do it in the RNR you can train and earn some cash before you ever go near the URNU or Regular Navy, so can concentrate on drinking Beer and playing Rugby like all the other Medical Students when that time comes. Time Management, man...:D
 
#10
Cheers for all this advice.

What I'm taking away from this is that it seems like joining the RNR as a YO is probably the best route, and it looks that way too. RNR is actually as close as URNU, and works for all universities I'm applying to. Plus, it pays a hell of a lot better than URNU from what I found, if I'm as active as I can be, though.

Beer and rugby. Aye, nothing like a drunk second row after a lecture!
 
#11
My RN Dentist had a green lid in 42 in the 80's a really good bloke from Brum, I shared a few tent sheets with him on Norway deployments.
Poor bloke died of hypoxia in a snow hole in 1983.
 

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#12
Cheers for all this advice.

What I'm taking away from this is that it seems like joining the RNR as a YO is probably the best route, and it looks that way too. RNR is actually as close as URNU, and works for all universities I'm applying to. Plus, it pays a hell of a lot better than URNU from what I found, if I'm as active as I can be, though.

Beer and rugby. Aye, nothing like a drunk second row after a lecture!
Two things to watch out for;

Check your daily rate of pay as an RNR YO as my understanding is it is initially the same daily rate as new entry ratings, which, in turn, is pretty much the same as an URNU student gets paid - happy to be corrected on this if anyone knows different.

Don't join the RNR in anticipation of being permitted to undertake the Reserve Forces Commando Course (RFCC) whilst in the RNR despite what you may hear anecdotally. Generally it's for RMR and Army Reserves. Whilst theoretically possible, the only assured route to undergoing RFCC is by joining the RMR, as alluded by @CmdKeen.

nearly guarantees a draft to a Cdo Ubit rather than, say, a submarine...
True, but many selectively don't hear the word "nearly". It's a bit like the the medical examination, most people hear "You've passed everything..." then mentally erase the "but we just need to write to your GP about..." bit. :)
 

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#13
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Two things to watch out for;

Check your daily rate of pay as an RNR YO as my understanding is it is initially the same daily rate as new entry ratings, which, in turn, is pretty much the same as an URNU student gets paid - happy to be corrected on this if anyone knows different.
I know different - OC PRs are paid as AB2s, then when they get their letter of acceptance from the AIB and complete it they move onto an OC pay rate, which is higher and on the ballpark of what a Killick would get. I can get precise granularity if you want.

The key thing here is not to think of money and wages - you are building something bigger for the future. Who'd be a JR in the RNR just for the Cash, IMHO. Top of Scale Lt? That's a different matter LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Surg Cdr? - Kerching!!!!!!:D
 

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#14
Ah yes, the invisible "initially". Forgot about that one :D

To be fair, I don't think I've ever seen a qualified Doctor or Padre fail AIB, nor a medical student (who passes AIB) fail to get a cadetship, so their RNR pay for years 3,4,5 of the degree whilst being paid a cadetship income, should be interesting. So fas as I'm aware you cannot effectively be paid twice. Certainly URNU medical students on a cadetship only got paid their cadetship & didn't earn an additional income when they rocked up for drill nights and deployments - that was inclusive of the terms of their cadetship.
 

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#15
Ah yes, the invisible "initially". Forgot about that one :D

To be fair, I don't think I've ever seen a qualified Doctor or Padre fail AIB,.
That is because there are other gates that a Padre has to jump in the selection process such as the interview with the Chaplain General.

There was a Rat Catcher with me at BRNC who did not last the course, but then he would have not been out of place in a episode of Father Ted...:)
 
#17
Welpl, turns out that Dundee's RNR unit (Tay Division) is over an hour away from Dundee's university campus. So for Aberdeen and Dundee, my only other option is the Army Reserve (225 Medical). Would that hinder my chances of getting a navy cadetship? Would I be better joining that, or not joining at all and volunteering/working/etc?
 

Ninja_Stoker

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#18
If you get a cadetship, you automatically 'belong' to the nearest URNU usually. You can (or certainly could), claim travel expenses.

Not sure where you stand joining Army Reserves whilst earning a 'wage' on an RN Cadetship but you cannot be paid twice for two 'jobs' in the Armed Forces so far as I'm aware and you can only have one service number.
 
#19
That's the problem. If I end up in Aberdeen, the nearest RNR unit and URNU are both over two hours away, while the Army Reserve and RMR are both within an hour. It's less drastic at Dundee, but still difficult; I could probably manage the RNR unit near Dundee if I can get travel covered. I'm mostly unsure if joining the army/marine reserve would be of any help if a RNR unit isn't close enough.
 

Ninja_Stoker

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#20
That's the problem. If I end up in Aberdeen, the nearest RNR unit and URNU are both over two hours away, while the Army Reserve and RMR are both within an hour. It's less drastic at Dundee, but still difficult; I could probably manage the RNR unit near Dundee if I can get travel covered. I'm mostly unsure if joining the army/marine reserve would be of any help if a RNR unit isn't close enough.
I guess that's a good question to ask at AIB when the N2 asks "Do you have any questions you would like to ask us?".

It certainly makes a change from "Yes, Sir. Who invented the ironing board?".
 

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