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RNR Recruiting - The Propositions & Your Suggestions

OLSKOOL79

Newbie
Hi, i am new to navy net & almost ashamed to say that i am ta... Iv'e been in the ta for just over a year now having given up on rnr at hms president, the reason being i live & work in suffolk, although their is a decent rail link,its impossible to get into london by 19:30 to attend week night training & a logistical nightmare getting back to my home town via train after 22:00.
I just wanted to add to your recruiting thread, i'd like to say that perhaps if the rnr had a satellite unit that covered east anglia (essex, suffolk, norfolk & cambridge) then you'd easily see a rise in recruits, in my ta unit alone there are 3 guys plus myself, whom would have loved to have gone rnr but had no option due to travelling implications.
Now considering that hms ganges was a basic training centre here in sunny suffolk & the heritage of east anglia as a seafaring region, it seems strange that it has been forgotten as a recruiting area, which has now been taken full advantage of by the army & raf reserves, could someone give an honest reason why there is nothing for potential rnr recruits here in east anglia? Or better still has anyone addressed this before?
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
could someone give an honest reason why there is nothing for potential rnr recruits here in east anglia? Or better still has anyone addressed this before?

I can only repeat something I'm sure I heard in a recent unit briefing about recruitment. I think the question was something along the lines of "Are there any plans to open new tender units in parts of the country far from an RNR unit to recruit from those under-served areas?" and the answer was something along the lines of "It has been considered and it's been decided that the increased recruitment footprint would not be worth it, " mixed in with "The current footprint is considered sufficient."

Don't quote me on that, but I seem to recall that was the gist of it. Perhaps in a few years time, if (when :p ) the 50% increase in trained strength has not been reached, it'll be rethought.
 
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Branch-Hopper

War Hero
I got an email today saying could I do recruiting work on Friday - I'd love to, but there is no way that my unit would accept a TAO in this time frame. End result, much as I want to do something, the system works against me by not letting me do it.

Case for the prosecution rests, M'Lud.
BH
 
Do all units insist that all TAOs have to be in 6 weeks before the training? If the training is unit-based, and not requiring action from NPTRES, then surely there is flexibility?
 

CmdKeen

Lantern Swinger
Do all units insist that all TAOs have to be in 6 weeks before the training? If the training is unit-based, and not requiring action from NPTRES, then surely there is flexibility?

For non-unit activity yes, unless it is so urgent you can get someone to get a waiver.

In unit activity being subject to 6 weeks is a new one on me. That would put a serious crimp in organising any activity.
 

trehorn

War Hero
CMR confirmed during his visit recently that the 6wk rule only applies to JPA competencies and not in unit or regional training.

That's not to say that individual units are not applying the 6wk rule across the board.
 

jockpopeye

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
This is a clear example of an organisational management issue. The RNR operate a rules based decision making process for their management and admin, such as "All TAOs must be in 6 weeks in advance of training". This is then applied universally to all things regardless of whether it makes sense or not. It then takes clarification from CMR to establish the correct context of the rule in question. In the meantime both the time and goodwill of many has been wasted based on rigid application of rules. There is also a clearly inefficient remedy when it takes the intervention of someone senior to clarify the application of said rules.
The RNR need to change their organisational mindset to values based decision making, using a combination of a values framework and clear objectives to allow sensible decisions to be made in an appropriate time frame. We train all of our people to lead and make decisions and then limit them with a sent of rules delivered from on high, why not let them free them up to do what we trained them to do?
A values based decision making process would undoubtedly cut through the crap that 2DD is experiencing and the RNR would have itself an experienced matelot to bump up the recruitment figures.
Unfortunately I don't think that this crap way of doing things will change until I am CMR.
 

trehorn

War Hero
In defence of the staff - the RNR as a whole can be quite poor with admin, mainly due to time constraints. It is common for paperwork to be submitted just before or even just after events which does not help our case. I realise that in many instances this is due to other factors such as someone pulls out of an event so someone else volunteers to make up the numbers to help out.

This could be solved by returning TAO's which are submitted late without good reason. What I think will occur is people will book courses 6wks in advance knowing full well that they may have to pull out at a later date. In my opinion, this is worse than people opting in at the last moment. If people think that they can't book training unless its 6wks away then they'll arrange to do other things and when they're needed at the last minute they'll be otherwise engaged.
 
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jockpopeye

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
I don't wish to sound too negative and I don't think that there is any specific blame for anyone in particular as nobody decides "how can we make our admin and processes as much of an embuggerance as possible" it just happens bit by bit over the course of time. However I do think that a little bit of organisational finesse would go a long way to solving some of the admin and management snags that are one of the main gripes that people bring up on a regular basis.
These sort of problems can be faced by any organisation, and particularly one that is geographically dispersed and fairly diverse in term of the activities conducted. The positive is that we train leaders and decision makers so the tools are at hand to fix these problems (no pun intended).
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
The positive is that we train leaders and decision makers

Who evidently don't have the balls to lead or make decisions.

All this shit could be sorted out if one person just took charge and said, "you know what? This current situation is bullshit, I'm going to do something about it."

Currently everyone is so scared that they might be breaking a rule or procedure that nothing ever gets done.

Look at the Army recruitment situation with Capita. It's bollox, however there are certain units (one of which I used to be a member) who have been barely affected by it, it's a slight inconvenience.

And how have they overcome this problem? Using common sense and initiative to work around it. The recruiting team have realised that the situation is bonk, so they've winged it and it's worked.
 
No cuff too tuff?

I could write a screed about how it does work, how it shouldn't, and why people feel constrained by process. But it'd be tl;dr, and it won't change a thing.....
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
Received an email today from my recruiting officer.

I'll add at this point that he's been absolutely fantastic throughout this debacle and he's just as frustrated with the process as me. If it wasn't for him, I'd have sacked off this whole idea a while back.

Here is the main beef of the email:

The issue is that a load of posts have been vacated in Pompey and the reliefs were/ are not in place. Consequently the RNR pipeline for ex-service entrants has just stopped. I have an ex PO diver waiting to join the diving branch (exact fit for a role that is required) and that can’t even happen.


What the actual ****?

Someone with some fat gold stripes needs to sort this shit pronto. I'm sure I read somewhere that the RNR is trying to double in size and is desperate to attract ex regulars.

What a ****ing joke.


Edited to add:

I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here, I used to run a business in which our general workers served a very specific 5 year apprenticeship. As such we'd have to anticipate retirements, sudden deaths and what not, otherwise we'd be ****ed. It wasn't a job you could just put an ad in the paper for.

We muddled on regardless, generally by not being utterly shit.
 
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Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Interestingly, there are some rather positive changes afoot with regard the recruiting process and pay of RNR personnel during selection.

I'd like to think that people in the right places are actually listening and that positive suggestions and ideas are seriously being considered.

Don't underestimate the value of voicing your opinion, you are being heard.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
Interestingly, there are some rather positive changes afoot with regard the recruiting process and pay of RNR personnel during selection.

I'd like to think that people in the right places are actually listening and that positive suggestions and ideas are seriously being considered.

Don't underestimate the value of voicing your opinion, you are being heard.

I should hope so shippers, I've spent the past year gobbing off to every **** who'll listen. Heads need to ****ing roll over the current state of affairs.
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
don't underestimate the value of voicing your opinion, you are being heard.

I want a pony!



While I'm here, I recall this from the very first page of this thread; everyone's favourite ninja quoting from the reservist proposition: "You will now have access to the latest kit".

I note that on the recent annual President-run, all-invited PLT/navigating/sleeping-outside weekend, a frightening number of New Entry and other such very fresh-faced people turned up without MTP or CS95, because their unit didn't have any to issue; many had no wet weather gear (again, none to issue) and many had no suitable footwear. To be fair, some of them explained that actually their unit did have some to issue; they just refused to issue it.

I'm all for the reservist proposition. Any chance of the powers that be meeting their side of the bargain? Just the bare minimum of uniform to be able to actually go outside and withstand cold and wet would do it. I've scavenged enough over the years to get by (although the last two pairs of combat boots I was issued had the soles turn to a kind of oily powdery resin and literally slough off), but to see people who were due their initial issue of fours months ago continue to turn up and drill in civvies is just embarrassing. Also, the pony.
 
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Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
I wouldnt get your hopes up sadly! It doesnt get any better once you are in. I've gone from being hugely motivated to feeling utterly demoralised in the last year due to the way things have gone, and I'm not the only one.
What really scares me is the way that many of the change blockers will retire soon, but the lack of any coherent succession planning means a whole bunch of people are going to wake up soon and go 'WTF' as they realise the scale of the challenge they've just inherited...
 
2DD, is your (well-onside) AFCO, saying that the NCHQ manning, within the dept that deals with cross RN to RNR transfers, has been reduced and is thus unfit for task. And that this is reducing the RN's ability to reach the recruiting target?
If it is, this needs to be fed up the line pronto.
Does your perspective "new" CO know about this blockage?
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
2DD, is your (well-onside) AFCO, saying that the NCHQ manning, within the dept that deals with cross RN to RNR transfers, has been reduced and is thus unfit for task. And that this is reducing the RN's ability to reach the recruiting target?
If it is, this needs to be fed up the line pronto.
Does your perspective "new" CO know about this blockage?

This was from the RNR Recruiting Officer at my unit, although I've heard pretty much the same story from the AFCO. As I understand it, it's exactly as you say, the billet is gapped, so nothing is being done for any ex (or current) RN trying to get into the RNR.

My recruiting officer has informed the CO and he is aware of my predicament, however being a few weeks into the job, I'm sure getting a gobby ex dabber onto the books is pretty low on his current list of priorities.

I've got the morning off, so I'm going to make some phone calls and give some people some shit. I'll give the AFCO a tinkle and I've got the name of a PO scribes in Pompey who is supposed to be dealing with this, I'm going to try and contact him too.
 

trehorn

War Hero
It came to me like a blinding flash on the road to Damascus. It was like Isaac newton and the gravity thing.

Why don't the RNR units actually put the correct contact details on their websites. All email addresses were recently changed to start with NAVY yet many units still have the old style addresses which I believe are no longer in use. Just a thought like. It might help, just a little.

Also having phone numbers that go through to the PSI's won't help. These should be mobile numbers to the recruiter.

Just a thought.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
It came to me like a blinding flash on the road to Damascus. It was like Isaac newton and the gravity thing.

Why don't the RNR units actually put the correct contact details on their websites. All email addresses were recently changed to start with NAVY yet many units still have the old style addresses which I believe are no longer in use. Just a thought like. It might help, just a little.

Also having phone numbers that go through to the PSI's won't help. These should be mobile numbers to the recruiter.

Just a thought.

A nice idea shippers, but is there any point? It's a proven fact that even if you do manage to get through to the recruiters, they don't actually have the means to be able to process you through the joining process.

I reckon a big sign on the RNR part of the RN website saying "No vacancies. **** off" would get the point across.
 
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