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RNR Recruiting - The Propositions & Your Suggestions

jrwlynch

Lantern Swinger
MLP
I'm in the strange position in real life of often employing RNR on OCT and I'm so desperately keen to bring them in and make use of them, but the lack of willingness to try something new, or to provide flexible support is so dissapointing..

<waves hand from back of classroom> I'll try, Jim... if you need a subbie let me know.
 

trehorn

War Hero
My unit has two PSI's at the minute, one of them is a leading hand who was bored in the spare hands pool at Faslamabad and is helping out. The other is an a brilliant guy with lots of knowledge to give but is to snowed under with almost the whole units paperwork to actually teach us anything. I think there is a third but he is on leave or resettlement or god knows what.

There is so much potential in the RNR but it is getting wasted by it not getting taken seriously and everything being done half arrsed.

You're used to PSI's teaching you something?

We haven't had a PSI do that for years. Gent Dit!
 

instinct

Lantern Swinger
You're used to PSI's teaching you something?

We haven't had a PSI do that for years. Gent Dit!

Not really but they could do like the TA. The RN complains we are unprofessional but screw having regulars guys to actually teach us or set an example or anything.
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
You're used to PSI's teaching you something?

We haven't had a PSI do that for years. Gent Dit!

The name does seem to be a bit misleading. Given that there can be literally two or threes PSIs at a unit of 300 plus reservists, it's not surprising that they spend all their time trying to process training paperwork. On top of that, they're of course full-time RN and thus don't actually know enough about the set of RNR branches that don't exist in the RN to teach those branches anything beyond very basic training (i.e. New Entry and remedial drill when ceremonies approach). Not their fault; more an unfortunate abbreviation :)

Edit: I genuinely didn't think they were meant to be instructors until someone assured me that they were; I thought it was some kind of leftover abbreviation from decades ago.
 
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instinct

Lantern Swinger
The name does seem to be a bit misleading. Given that there can be literally two or threes PSIs at a unit of 300 plus reservists, it's not surprising that they spend all their time trying to process training paperwork. On top of that, they're of course full-time RN and thus don't actually know enough about the set of RNR branches that don't exist in the RN to teach those branches anything beyond very basic training (i.e. New Entry and remedial drill when ceremonies approach). Not their fault; more an unfortunate abbreviation :)

Edit: I genuinely didn't think they were meant to be instructors until someone assured me that they were; I thought it was some kind of leftover abbreviation from decades ago.

I may be getting hung up on Sea Res to be honest.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
As for getting a 5 a side thing going in the evening/weekend, you do realise that a clubswinger will have to turn to and do some work, which immediately puts the kybosh on things.....

This perfectly sums up the prevailing issue here. Everything is just too much hassle and tied up in paperwork and procedure. No one has the balls to sidestep the rules and offer any flexibility where anything is concerned, whether it be using a sensible approach to recruiting people or organising a kick about against a local business.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that a clubswinger would be required for something as simple as a 5 aside game. Why exactly I'm not sure. A PTI doesn't turn to everyday at the HAC when the cricket is on and when one of my apprentices organised a 5 aside league against a few local businesses in Hammersmith, we didn't employ a personal trainer.

The forces are supposed to be an organisation that gets shit done. At present the RNR can't even get recruits through the door without ****ing it up.

Monty's suggestion of QOY is sorely tempting as is the RMR. The only thing stopping me jumping in head first is the fact that I've already completed the RNR recruiting process.

Not entirely sure why I still haven't been given a joining date when my security clearance came through in August, but hey ho. I'm giving them another month to get their shit in one sock, if I'm still getting nowhere then I'll **** it off. I've got better things to do to be honest.
 
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guestm

Guest
This perfectly sums up the prevailing issue here. Everything is just too much hassle and tied up in paperwork and procedure. No one has the balls to sidestep the rules and offer any flexibility where anything is concerned, whether it be using a sensible approach to recruiting people or organising a kick about against a local business.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that a clubswinger would be required for something as simple as a 5 aside game. Why exactly I'm not sure. A PTI doesn't turn to everyday at the HAC when the cricket is on and when one of my apprentices organised a 5 aside league against a few local businesses in Hammersmith, we didn't employ a personal trainer.

The forces are supposed to be an organisation that gets shit done. At present the RNR can't even get recruits through the door without ****ing it up.

Monty's suggestion of QOY is sorely tempting as is the RMR. The only thing stopping me jumping in head first is the fact that I've already completed the RNR recruiting process.

Not entirely sure why I still haven't been given a joining date when my security clearance came through in August, but hey ho. I'm giving them another month to get their shit in one sock, if I'm still getting nowhere then I'll **** it off. I've got better things to do to be honest.

Soon as I'm out the RN I'm straight in the door of the QOY. I'll see you there for wets.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero

At the moment I'm feeling strangely drawn to.......



Apparently they give you a cool hat.

Also the TA (Save for units who conduct their own phase 1 and 2 training) is for Gareth *****.
 
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guestm

Guest
At the moment I'm feeling strangely drawn to.......



Apparently they give you a cool hat.

Also the TA (Save for units who conduct their own phase 1 and 2 training) is for Gareth *****.

All reservists are Gareths. Doesn't matter what hat they wear.
 

Branch-Hopper

War Hero
I'm in the strange position in real life of often employing RNR on OCT and I'm so desperately keen to bring them in and make use of them, but the lack of willingness to try something new, or to provide flexible support is so dissapointing. I can think of multiple occasions where I've tried to set something really good up with my civvy hat on, only for the RNR to turn around and basically say 'no thanks'.

CMR has built-in lack of flexibility by
a) Insisting all activity has a JPA training code, and that all training falls within those given codes - the unit staff have no access to set, edit or create new codes
b) By insisiting that all paperwork is submitted to them six weeeks prior to all training being undertaken. Despite budgets being held at unit level.

These will ensure that no RNR chappie is available to you if you have a new oppertunity that ou have kindly identified/dreamt up/created as there won't be a JPA code.

Additionally if a ship/establishment does have an unexpected gap ("AB Bloggs on course, LH Smyth on materinity and PO Thingy just smashed his knee playing rugby- can we have someone to cover, please?") the answer is no, as two of the three will doubtless be back bythe time six weeks has passed, oh and the unemployed RNR, who would have been delighted and able to help, has gone elsewhere.

Until we remove the pointless layers of management this will not improve, regardelees of what aspirations Fleet and No.10 might have for us.

BH
BH
 

trehorn

War Hero
The 6wk thing is a big issue, especially bearing in mind that transport etc isn't booked until the week before.
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
The 6wk thing is a big issue, especially bearing in mind that transport etc isn't booked until the week before.

Certainly is. I know that I need a ticket over the channel in March. We could have bought it when we knew, about two months ago, at a cost of less than a hundred, or we could buy it the week before at a cost of several hundred. Go go gadget travel budget.
 

trehorn

War Hero
There's always room in the travel budget when it suits. How often does SO1/SO2, C/O etc rock up on the sunday morning of a training weekend to tell you how well you're doing. ;-)
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
I got an email today saying could I do recruiting work on Friday - I'd love to, but there is no way that my unit would accept a TAO in this time frame. End result, much as I want to do something, the system works against me by not letting me do it.
 
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