RNR Recruiting - The Propositions & Your Suggestions

OLSKOOL79

Newbie
Hi, i am new to navy net & almost ashamed to say that i am ta... Iv'e been in the ta for just over a year now having given up on rnr at hms president, the reason being i live & work in suffolk, although their is a decent rail link,its impossible to get into london by 19:30 to attend week night training & a logistical nightmare getting back to my home town via train after 22:00.
I just wanted to add to your recruiting thread, i'd like to say that perhaps if the rnr had a satellite unit that covered east anglia (essex, suffolk, norfolk & cambridge) then you'd easily see a rise in recruits, in my ta unit alone there are 3 guys plus myself, whom would have loved to have gone rnr but had no option due to travelling implications.
Now considering that hms ganges was a basic training centre here in sunny suffolk & the heritage of east anglia as a seafaring region, it seems strange that it has been forgotten as a recruiting area, which has now been taken full advantage of by the army & raf reserves, could someone give an honest reason why there is nothing for potential rnr recruits here in east anglia? Or better still has anyone addressed this before?
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
could someone give an honest reason why there is nothing for potential rnr recruits here in east anglia? Or better still has anyone addressed this before?

I can only repeat something I'm sure I heard in a recent unit briefing about recruitment. I think the question was something along the lines of "Are there any plans to open new tender units in parts of the country far from an RNR unit to recruit from those under-served areas?" and the answer was something along the lines of "It has been considered and it's been decided that the increased recruitment footprint would not be worth it, " mixed in with "The current footprint is considered sufficient."

Don't quote me on that, but I seem to recall that was the gist of it. Perhaps in a few years time, if (when :p ) the 50% increase in trained strength has not been reached, it'll be rethought.
 
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Do all units insist that all TAOs have to be in 6 weeks before the training? If the training is unit-based, and not requiring action from NPTRES, then surely there is flexibility?
 

CmdKeen

Lantern Swinger
Do all units insist that all TAOs have to be in 6 weeks before the training? If the training is unit-based, and not requiring action from NPTRES, then surely there is flexibility?

For non-unit activity yes, unless it is so urgent you can get someone to get a waiver.

In unit activity being subject to 6 weeks is a new one on me. That would put a serious crimp in organising any activity.
 

trehorn

War Hero
CMR confirmed during his visit recently that the 6wk rule only applies to JPA competencies and not in unit or regional training.

That's not to say that individual units are not applying the 6wk rule across the board.
 

jockpopeye

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
This is a clear example of an organisational management issue. The RNR operate a rules based decision making process for their management and admin, such as "All TAOs must be in 6 weeks in advance of training". This is then applied universally to all things regardless of whether it makes sense or not. It then takes clarification from CMR to establish the correct context of the rule in question. In the meantime both the time and goodwill of many has been wasted based on rigid application of rules. There is also a clearly inefficient remedy when it takes the intervention of someone senior to clarify the application of said rules.
The RNR need to change their organisational mindset to values based decision making, using a combination of a values framework and clear objectives to allow sensible decisions to be made in an appropriate time frame. We train all of our people to lead and make decisions and then limit them with a sent of rules delivered from on high, why not let them free them up to do what we trained them to do?
A values based decision making process would undoubtedly cut through the crap that 2DD is experiencing and the RNR would have itself an experienced matelot to bump up the recruitment figures.
Unfortunately I don't think that this crap way of doing things will change until I am CMR.
 

trehorn

War Hero
In defence of the staff - the RNR as a whole can be quite poor with admin, mainly due to time constraints. It is common for paperwork to be submitted just before or even just after events which does not help our case. I realise that in many instances this is due to other factors such as someone pulls out of an event so someone else volunteers to make up the numbers to help out.

This could be solved by returning TAO's which are submitted late without good reason. What I think will occur is people will book courses 6wks in advance knowing full well that they may have to pull out at a later date. In my opinion, this is worse than people opting in at the last moment. If people think that they can't book training unless its 6wks away then they'll arrange to do other things and when they're needed at the last minute they'll be otherwise engaged.
 
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jockpopeye

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
I don't wish to sound too negative and I don't think that there is any specific blame for anyone in particular as nobody decides "how can we make our admin and processes as much of an embuggerance as possible" it just happens bit by bit over the course of time. However I do think that a little bit of organisational finesse would go a long way to solving some of the admin and management snags that are one of the main gripes that people bring up on a regular basis.
These sort of problems can be faced by any organisation, and particularly one that is geographically dispersed and fairly diverse in term of the activities conducted. The positive is that we train leaders and decision makers so the tools are at hand to fix these problems (no pun intended).
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
The positive is that we train leaders and decision makers

Who evidently don't have the balls to lead or make decisions.

All this shit could be sorted out if one person just took charge and said, "you know what? This current situation is bullshit, I'm going to do something about it."

Currently everyone is so scared that they might be breaking a rule or procedure that nothing ever gets done.

Look at the Army recruitment situation with Capita. It's bollox, however there are certain units (one of which I used to be a member) who have been barely affected by it, it's a slight inconvenience.

And how have they overcome this problem? Using common sense and initiative to work around it. The recruiting team have realised that the situation is bonk, so they've winged it and it's worked.
 
No cuff too tuff?

I could write a screed about how it does work, how it shouldn't, and why people feel constrained by process. But it'd be tl;dr, and it won't change a thing.....
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
Received an email today from my recruiting officer.

I'll add at this point that he's been absolutely fantastic throughout this debacle and he's just as frustrated with the process as me. If it wasn't for him, I'd have sacked off this whole idea a while back.

Here is the main beef of the email:

The issue is that a load of posts have been vacated in Pompey and the reliefs were/ are not in place. Consequently the RNR pipeline for ex-service entrants has just stopped. I have an ex PO diver waiting to join the diving branch (exact fit for a role that is required) and that can’t even happen.


What the actual ****?

Someone with some fat gold stripes needs to sort this shit pronto. I'm sure I read somewhere that the RNR is trying to double in size and is desperate to attract ex regulars.

What a ****ing joke.


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I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here, I used to run a business in which our general workers served a very specific 5 year apprenticeship. As such we'd have to anticipate retirements, sudden deaths and what not, otherwise we'd be ****ed. It wasn't a job you could just put an ad in the paper for.

We muddled on regardless, generally by not being utterly shit.
 
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