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GCYZ

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hammockhead said:
So I take it no-one would have any problems with regular COs?

None at all. With Operational capability being the watch word, it would in many ways it would remove the problem on having to focus on the unit and on specialisation for those aspiring to higher things. As a result senior officers would be drawn from those who had been promoted Cdr in their branch (granted some branches do not have Cdr's, but all have an SO1 (Ex DD)-if that makes sense.)
My personal opinion is that operational role should have more weight with regard to promotion than unit role.
 

PartTimer

War Hero
hammockhead said:
So I take it no-one would have any problems with regular COs?

As always, advanatges and disadvantages. I suspect RNR units may end up with final appointment Cdr's who are in danger of being in RDP mode, as has been the case with the XOs. Some are good and put a lot into the unit, others are, understandably, more looking forward to when they leave. Having it as a career post would be a way of getting around it - this has been done in the TA I understand, but it then leads to CO's wanting to 'make their mark' and making changes for the sake of change.

It would also restrict the already limited opportunities for Cdr's in the RNR. Once you get your 3rd ring there are not many posts besides CO, SO1 of your spec or a handful of ComMarRes positions.
 

dubaipusser

Lantern Swinger
PartTimer said:
hammockhead said:
So I take it no-one would have any problems with regular COs?

As always, advanatges and disadvantages. I suspect RNR units may end up with final appointment Cdr's who are in danger of being in RDP mode, as has been the case with the XOs. Some are good and put a lot into the unit, others are, understandably, more looking forward to when they leave. Having it as a career post would be a way of getting around it - this has been done in the TA I understand, but it then leads to CO's wanting to 'make their mark' and making changes for the sake of change.

It would also restrict the already limited opportunities for Cdr's in the RNR. Once you get your 3rd ring there are not many posts besides CO, SO1 of your spec or a handful of ComMarRes positions.

Sorry for resurrecting this one but I don'yt think it should be allowed to go cold.

RN COs in RTCs makes a lot of sense from the point of view of keeping the RNR 'front of mind' and current with the RN.

I agree with the comments about last job RNSOs and the RDP mentality and we will always run that risk (even if we were to get RNSOs (and COs)who are NOT on last job) because some would still be looking forward to their next appointment.

The TA have a good set-up though where they rotate CO and XO (equivalents) with a Regular in the CO slot for one appointment and a TA as Adjutant and then reverse it the next time (or so I understand). They also keep pretty rigidly to the 2 year appointment cycle which is not always the case in the RNR.

On the 'employment' of RNR Cdrs - hopefully the closer integration between RNR and RN could start to open up opportunities here as well with a few more SO1 staff appointments to such things Battle Staff or planning teams etc in addition to the Branch SO1s since it would be hoped that the workload will increase exponentially.

I point to the Lebanon crisis as a case in point - a smattering of planning/contingency SO1 billets in GSSR/AW/MTO/Logs etc (haven't intentionally tried to miss anyone out just didn't want to go through the whole list) aimed specifically at preparing the ground for expeditionary ops would not have been wasted and would have helped FLEET 'hit the ground running'.
 

bunnyjumper

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Lingyai said:
BeerBad said:
How about "Letting the RN look after business until war breaks out". We all know that when the sh1t hits the fan we have to come along and bail them out.
Apart from Desert storm 91 when a lot of the reserves called up wouldn't go because they thought Saddam had chemical weapons........
Not an RNR bash either.. before someone starts blubbing.

Actually, I've been led to believe that when Gulf 91 kicked off (wasn't in then), that at least one of the RNR sweepers had an incorrect call to get their arses down to the region, and when they got there were told it was a mistake.....Not sure if that's true though or whether I misheard.....
 

bunnyjumper

Lantern Swinger
Chunky_Monkey said:
Scud said:
A month or two Fort Austin was in the rather unique position for an RFA of having an FTRS RNR Killick communicator on board for FOST time and JMC, and I have to say he was a credit to the RNR. No trouble with the 'why are you here' or anything like that, though I suspect given our status with the RN they probably look upon both the RFA and RNR as 'little brothers'.

I think there is a "kindred spirit" between the RNR and the RFA as both of these organisations are treated as being a bit odd by the RN, just because we don't look like they do. The number of times I have been totally ignored in a Wardroom by RN officers makes me quite angry when I think about it, and I would put a bet on the fact it is because I'm in an RNR uniform. However I have always been made to feel very welcome anytime I have been on board an RFA and I would gladly serve onboard one of those as opposed to an RN ship anytime. Sad, but unfortunately true. It is a shame we are not so readily accepted by our counterparts in the RN.

In fact, I spent a fortnight on an RFA full of marines earlier in the year with a number of RNR colleagues, and I reckon they treated us with much more respect than regular RN.....Come on boys, not gonna let the booties show you up are you? One Navy guys. Don't forget that when you leave the mob you will be civvies yourselves and may possibly find yourself being managed by one of these part timers. How would you expect them to treat you then........
 

jesse650

War Hero
true, true and true, we have one Navy.....in my experience most "full time" RN who've experienced RNR personel in the field are happy in the way we work, the way the conduct ourselves in the best traditions of the service, it's just the odd one here and there who have the old us/them routine down pat and are not likely to change this side of the styx........crack on lofty. we do know what we're doing! :lol: :wink:
 

beer_bosun

Lantern Swinger
hammockhead said:
The RNR forum is currently tagged "Part of the Royal Navy but there are always separate issues to discuss ..." which was borrowed from the TA forum at our sister site when this place was set up.

Well, I don't know whether or not the TA is part of "the Army", but the RNR certainly isn't part of the Royal Navy though it is part of the Naval Service. Surely we can come up with something better?

Our new logo certainly seems to suggest that we are part of the Royal Navy...

Our new identity cards seems to suggest that we are part of the Royal Navy...

Not sure how you can qualify your "certainly not part of the Royal Navy" comment.

Seems a rather "old and bold" way of thinking.

What would you prefer "Once Reserve, Always Reserve" or "When we had the sweepers" zzzzzzzzzzzz
 

dubaipusser

Lantern Swinger
In my personal experience I think you would be hard pressed to find a naval organisation currently more 'in tune' with it's Reserve than the RN. I think that if there is a problem it is one of a lack of self belief within the RNR (manifested in a need for constant reassurance that the RNR really does have a role).

I know that historically there was a problem (the 2 navies syndrome) but I seriously do not see it nowadays - at least not where it matters most!

I regularly work alongside people from other navies and, with the possible exception of Australia and Canada, find the RN one of the most strongly supportive of their Reserve, and very grateful for the contribution being made.

I would go so far as to suggest that, despite the heavy usage of the USNR (and other reserves) by the US military, this is not necessarily the case with the USN despite the fact that the vast majority of their Reserve are former USN personnel.

Keep with the tagline - the RNR is part of the RN but does have separate issues to discuss - it reflects reality thank goodness!
 
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