RNR Direct (Officer) Entry

I know the RNR DE process is still fairly new and I'm going through the process at the moment awaiting AIB date.

Has anyone recently been through the process who can advise me of the processes after AIB please? (ie where you go for which courses, when/where, timescales, etc)

Thanks - replies welcomed
 

navalgazer

Midshipman
AFCO should in theory be able to help. Otherwise RecO (Recruiting Officer) or JOTO (Junior Officers Training Officer) at the Ship that you are planning to join should be able to advise.
Basically you will, depending on your unit, join a pre Fleet Board class. Fleet Board should be planned on being sat within 18 months of AIB, and covers a variety of Naval knowledge. National Training at weekends in now provided.
Prior to starting branch specific training you will also have to at least pass Dartmouth (2 weeks), which I believe is normally held at least 3 times a year.
Hope this helps.
 
Thanks for that - as for AFCO, the DE process falls outside their remit (so they tell me) it's dealt with by OCLO, who are currently processing info etc.

Thanks for updating me on the process
 
Thanks Uncle Albert...I think !

Didn't know I could join before AIB result, following which if I failed I could always re-join as a rating (been in the RN as a rating years ago - not like i've never done it)
 

wysiwyg

Lantern Swinger
phil1972 said:
Is it only my unit that puts the direct entry orsifer types in the JR Mess until they pass their AIB. P!ssed the JRs off no end.

Until they have passed their AIB they are not officers.

Rather than the JRs being pissed off, perhaps they should use the opportunity to raise awareness of life as it affects those in square rig. These Direct Entry Officers (if they make the grade) may be their DOs in due course.
 
F*ck off they are officers with orsifer aspirations and outlook and in my experience no interest of life below decks. They just push themselves around in the JRs mess. We therefore end up with no place we can call our own as our mess is the visitors holding area. Do you think for one minute that the SRs would welcome them? No, so why should we?

The should be in the wardroom.
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
phil1972 said:
F*ck off they are officers with orsifer aspirations and outlook and in my experience no interest of life below decks. They just push themselves around in the JRs mess. We therefore end up with no place we can call our own as our mess is the visitors holding area. Do you think for one minute that the SRs would welcome them? No, so why should we?

The should be in the wardroom.

Wrong - until they pass their AIB and are awarded a commission they have no right to enter the wardroom. While they may piss off the JRs, its a valuable learning experience for both, the officer candidates see life in the lower deck, while the lower deck can equally develop a relationship with people who one day may be their DOs. To regard the JRs mess as totally separate and isolated from the SRs and the Wardroom does nothing for unit cohesion - in fact, in some RNR units, there are no separate messes, its all one company together.
 
If that is what they wanted they would have then join as a JR make them do Raleigh and spend a couple of years in square rig before their AIB, but that is the system they have just done away with.

Flag Wagger the crux of the issue is summed up in your comment "they have no right to enter the wardroom", correct, as they are not officer but neither are they JRs. Do you really think they would put a civvie (cos that is what they are) in a JRs mess onboard ship until they had done their AIB.

Life would be easier if we did not have separate messes, but I dont think it is the JRs holding that one up. That point is held in place by good old fashioned snobbery.

KLNA, just to point out I aint got a problem with officers or you going direct entry, we all have different roles; crack on and best of luck with your AIB mate. I just dont think some of the units are handling this new process correctly.
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
phil1972 said:
If that is what they wanted they would have then join as a JR make them do Raleigh and spend a couple of years in square rig before their AIB, but that is the system they have just done away with.

I actually think this is a better policy than DE but the powers that be diasagree!

phil1972 said:
Flag Wagger the crux of the issue is summed up in your comment "they have no right to enter the wardroom", correct, as they are not officer but neither are they JRs. Do you really think they would put a civvie (cos that is what they are) in a JRs mess onboard ship until they had done their AIB.

Er... yes! Look back to the threads about "Padre Porn" last year and read deeper about how he was accommodated on board.

At Forward, the JRs Mess is used as a "holding mess" for all people not entitled to use the Wardroom or SR Mess - if people can't get along in such an environment, i.e. JR, NE, or DE Officer, then perhaps it might be an indicator that life in the Naval service could not be for them.

If you are finding the attitude of DE types unacceptable, e.g. they feel too good for the JRs Mess, take it up with the LHOM (who can feed it into the chain of command), or alternatively have a word with your DO or even the JOTO. I'm sure that one or more of these will be able to ensure that a word is had with the person(s) concerned advising that such attitudes are not helpful.
 
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