RNR - direct diver entry

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
This page on the newly revamped RN website should prove useful: RNR Diving

Previous links in relevant threads are no longer valid.

Thanks for the clarification N_G:
RN Website said:
Selection
Personnel must follow the normal New Entry training route via HMS Raleigh before attending a pre-selection weekend. This Diving Selection Acquaint weekend is run by the Defence Diving School, based in Portsmouth.

Hopefully this clarifies the issue with regard the fact they must join the RNR first.
 

NickJW

Newbie
Hey big thank you for all the info... and I do actually fully understand the process now... I also spoke to a chief stoney(i think) from Cardiff AFCO today who was very helpful and completely honest about the the issues of being a reservist in my position.

I currently live in Hereford so in between Cardiff, bristol and birmingham with regards to accessing a RNR unit... so travelling he felt may be a issue.... I have a supportive employer (local government) and feel the travelling and commitment is more than worth it.

I still have a couple of questions if you would be so kind to try and answer..if you can!

1. what is the actual role of the Diver within the RNR, how and why would a diver be deployed for active service

2. just out of pure interest - ive seen a couple of people mention in some of the topics the opportunity of SF selection.. what pathways with the RNR are there to serve SF??? I only ask as living where I do u meet military personnel from all walks of life working within this arena...... just intriged really


Well im currently 28 and a PADI Master scuba diver and SAA Dive Leader with specialisations in Full face mask, nitrox, deep diving, underwater nav, ppb and drysuit diving. I ve have dived in a few countries with a deepest dive around 45 m. Im hoping that this along with a strong back ground in outdoor activities (actually its my job) will put me in a good position when looking in to this branch?????

Defiantly going to start timing runs and get the fitness up in preparation

cheers guys! and thanks again for the info!!!

Nick
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
The issue with "in service" trades & sub specialisations is that unfortunately, apart from anecdotal third party related stories about them in the public domain, there is no official definitive information outwith the service available at AFCOs or elsewhere because entry into them is subject to passing further "in service" selection. However, suffice to say SF specilisations are open to all who are eligible, recommended & found suitable after further selection. In addition, it also carries the caveat that whilst additional sub specialisations & trades maybe available, there's no guarantee that an individual will be recommended to undergo selection.

As regards the day to day operational employment of UWFP divers, again the website indicates they maybe employed with one of the fleet diving units however more information will undoubtedly be forthcoming once the initial hurdle of passing RNR selection is completed successfully.

One thing I would venture to add is that joining the RNR, passing UWFP Diver selection & training should in no way be attempted in the hope of bypassing the wait to join as a regular Mine Clearance Diver by other means. It won't happen.

Best of luck.
 
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Spidiver

War Hero
The whole issue of RNR divers absolutely amazes me.
The RNR had Port divers in the 80's and 90's, a total waste of resources. The high maintenance costs of a part time diver far outweigh any benefits they can bring to the RN. We don't have a shortage of CD's (just look at the waiting times for courses).

WTF the MOD feels the need to give the idea a run again beggers belief, thank fukc I'm in a civvy company where we realise that "getting the job done at a profit" is the primary role of the company and not fukcing about with stupid ideas that never worked the first time round.

Gemma, yep they probably will open it to women. Good luck.....although I reckon you'd have as much chance of passing as Chico would at becoming the "employee of the month in McDonalds.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Have to say I'm with you on this one Spider as "currency" was the safety issue which saw the demise of the Ships Diver.

There is a job for ex-RN Clearance Divers within the RNR, much as there is (or was) a Wafu RNR branch, however for all the reasons ships divers were stopped in general service, the RNR has amazingly decided to resurrect a diving branch over the last few years with even less justification than the general service part-time equivalent. I'm guessing someone somewhere has supposedly detected a threat where none existed & stuck a label on it with the words "Global Terrorism" to ensure funding and pulled it out of the hat.

In a similar manner MCDs produced their own glossy careers publication advertising a job that is already heavily over-subscribed, with zero advertising above that which already exists. Problem is more indviduals hear of the branch, baulk at the wait ask what other diving jobs are available "RNR" comes the answer and them we're inundated with people wanting to be RNR Divers without commercial experience , many of whom think it's some kind of back door route into the regular MCD branch.

What could possibly go wrong? :wink:
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
"2. just out of pure interest - ive seen a couple of people mention in some of the topics the opportunity of SF selection.. what pathways with the RNR are there to serve SF??? I only ask as living where I do u meet military personnel from all walks of life working within this arena...... just intriged really"

There are no direct opportunities to undertake selection via the RNR - if you want to walk around with a pixellated face then go for either SBS(R), or TA SAS. As for opportunities working with the SF via the RNR - its not impossiblefor some members of certain branches to end up doing things of interest alongside interesting folk in a specialist supporting role, but any discussion of what branches or what areas or how one does that is probably not appropriate for an open internet forum. Much as I love the SEA(RES) branch though, I can neither confirm nor deny that it currently has an SF augmentation cell ;-)
 

3BadgeAB

Midshipman
Spidiver,

you say the Port Diver branch never worked. Well the role of the RNR in total in those days was very different, and was geared up towards the cold war and stopping the pesky reds from invading. There was very little integration between RN and RNR and very little, if any callup, so you could say the whole RNR was a waste of time as it was never used. It was I suppose like an insurance policy that was never claimed on. In hindsight that money could have been saved but who could of predicted that?

As regards the current RNR, the number of vacancies in any RN branch is irrelevant. The RNR is not there to fill gapped billets. It is there to "deploy in the event of tension, humanitarian crisis, or conflict" according to the RN website. There were RNR divers called up for Telic and the idea that when RN divers leave those skills do not leave and can be deployed at very short notice has obviously excited someone, and makes sense to me. You can deploy a reservist in as little as 2 weeks against months or years to recruit and train new regulars.

Reservists have also been used where there has been a short term requirement for additional manpower, such as deploying new equipment or running training outside the normal program. From a cost perspective it is a lot cheaper to have this manpower in the reserves rather than paying full time until they are needed, that is probably true for most, if not all, reserve branches.

I do agree however, that the branch has in some respects become diluted by the number of 'sport' divers joining, and I fail to see what the role of the RNR diver branch is. Certainly not to take people who don’t want to wait to join the regulars, and training as an RNR diver would generally take longer than waiting for a regular space. The original role when the branch opened has gone, and whilst there is mention of nasty terrorists and things like 2012, there is nothing I have seen on paper. I wait with baited breath for the SDSR for the reserves which I believe is due in 6 months and will look at branches etc. Maybe (or more likely maybe not) that will clear things up.


As regards ships divers not keeping current, certainly it is a lot easier for RNR as they do not have other jobs (in the RN!) to keep them away from diving and also don’t get sent to a ship where they may be the only diver so can’t dive.


3BAB
 

NickJW

Newbie
hhmmm i hope that i have not provoked any negativity towards the UWFP, I was purely looking into the branch due to the minimal publicity I had seen and suggestions from a RNR officer i met. I did not have any aspiration of finding back door routes to MCD as far as I understand they fufil two different service requiremnts and the RNR seemed intriging.... but i can only comment by what info i have recieved having no first hand knowledge.

Once again thanks for all the info

Nick JW
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Fear not, there's no suggestion that the majority joining the RNR with the stated intent of specialising as a Diver do so for any other reason. It's just that experience reveals that the odd one or two kick-off when told it's a no-go transferring to regular service with the aspiration to become an MCD ahead of anyone else. Forewarned is fore-armed.
 

Spidiver

War Hero
3 Badge, the reason the Port divers were disbanded was not because of the reduced threat from those pesky Ruskies, it was for many other reasons.
Lack of training, expense of kitting out the RNR diving stores, lack of specific role in a stand alone environment, inability to integrate with a CD unit. These issues will still be as valid with the RNR CD's.
So I fail to see how a RNR CD will have a role in the "Big Picture". The basic RN CD, does a course more than twice as long as the 6 week RNR CD course. The RN CD will be working in a diving environment every day, the RNR CD will do a couple of hours a week, and two weeks training once per year. Many moons ago, the fukcwits in the big house decided that deep diving work ups were too expensive and would therefore be cut back. IMHO that directly resulted in the death of one poor sod who got fouled up on the seabed at depth and wasn't able to rely on the training and depth experience he was supposed to have done to get him out of the sh!te. Expecting a RNR CD to be able to function as proper CD with less than half the training, minimal continuation training is a receipe to fill the harbour with dead divers.
I feel that this might be a good time to move into a career as a HSE Diving Inspector specialising in incident investigation, the first death won't be an accident, it will be Negligence !!!
 
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