RNR - direct diver entry

NickJW

Newbie
hey all, wondered if you could help...

I have been informed that the RNR now take direct entry in to UWFP (diving) does anyone know the selection requirements/process????

Any Info much appreciated!

nick
 
You will have to undertake the normal selection process for the RN/RNR but you do need to have the following: - Recognised military or police diving qualification or evidence of recent diving experience. A minimum and current recognised civilian or commercial diving qualification of: • PADI Advanced Open Water Diver or • BSAC Advanced Diver or • HSE Part 4 Commercial Diver Pass a pre-selection Diver assessment weekend and full service diving medical.
Talk to your local RNR unit and Careers Office.
 

Ninja_Stoker

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You will have to undertake the normal selection process for the RN/RNR but you do need to have the following: - Recognised military or police diving qualification or evidence of recent diving experience. A minimum and current recognised civilian or commercial diving qualification of: • PADI Advanced Open Water Diver or • BSAC Advanced Diver or • HSE Part 4 Commercial Diver Pass a pre-selection Diver assessment weekend and full service diving medical.
Talk to your local RNR unit and Careers Office.

Tip top advice.

Before entering an AFCO and stating "I wish to join as a diver", unless you're a trained Navy Clearance Diver, you can't. No such beastie as a civilian direct entry diver in the RNR.

The AFCO process the individual for entry into the RNR as a generic Rating or Officer, trade specialisations come later, in some cases up to a couple of years later so the RNR can advise on what is available once joined, the AFCO do the stuff that gets you into the RNR.
 
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frogman007

War Hero
Tip top advice.

Before entering an AFCO and stating "I wish to join as a diver", unless you're a trained Navy Clearance Diver, you can't. No such beastie as a civilian direct entry diver in the RNR.

The AFCO process the individual for entry into the RNR as a generic Rating or Officer, trade specialisations come later, in some cases up to a couple of years later so the RNR can advise on what is available once joined, the AFCO do the stuff that gets you into the RNR.


You know what NS I think you could be wrong on this?? Pretty sure when I popped down the school end of the lake the other day there was a RNR course running, and there were no "ex's" on it. I said at the time I didn't recognise any one and it was mentioned they are RNR staright in.Think it's a 6 week course for basic MEOD Force protection etc. However like all things I am happy to be corrected. Nick give Horsea a ring 02392 224010 that's the school they should help you out. Good luck
 

Ninja_Stoker

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You know what NS I think you could be wrong on this?? Pretty sure when I popped down the school end of the lake the other day there was a RNR course running, and there were no "ex's" on it. I said at the time I didn't recognise any one and it was mentioned they are RNR staright in.Think it's a 6 week course for basic MEOD Force protection etc. However like all things I am happy to be corrected. Nick give Horsea a ring 02392 224010 that's the school they should help you out. Good luck

It may well be the case that having passed AFCO selection, the RNR streams them UWFP immediately upon joining, however they need to join the RNR first as GS, complete RNR INT, hence the reason the only direct entry RNR divers are trained MCDs from an AFCO perspective.

When they pitch-up at the AFCO they are simply "RNR". Once processed for entry, the RNR determines what they are joining as. Initially RNR UWFP was a sideways entry trade which drew volunteers at around the 2 year point but my understanding is suitably qualified individuals may go straight on for UWFP upon joining.

Those pitching-up at an AFCO stating they wish to be an RNR Diver will be processed no different to any other RNR ratings entrant with no PEDA equivalent or similar carried out. Whilst they can express a preference at interview, it's not the AFCO call what trade they enter.
 

NickJW

Newbie
hey guys thanks for the info...

I have spoken to AFCO before xmas.. you can join direct as RNR UWFP you do have to pass diver medical and diver selection (although i believe is not as long as MCD selection) before you start NE training. if selected you join direct to UWFP no time has to be served in other branches. - all this if you meet the grade obviously!

What i did struggle to get from AFCO is what was involved in selection, what the training was like and what the actual job was about as I believe the direction of RNR divers has changed over the last couple of years.

Was hoping there was a current RNR diver who could share some light.....

Will give Horsea a bell tomoz and see!

Thanks guys
 

frogman007

War Hero
Are you an active recreational, commercial or ex police/military diver? If yes, then the RNR diving branch wants YOU!

The branch has been open to civilian volunteers (rather than ex-regulars only) for a year now and is still eager for new recruits. The first 6 people have just gone through the Underwater Search and basic EOD phase.

Only certain RNR units seem to be proliferating the info regarding branch entry requirments and intro weekends etc.
So to clear things up for anybody who is interested......

Entry Requirements-
1) Open to all ratings between 18 and 45 (male and female) who have a recognised diving qualification to the level of BSAC Ocean/PADI OW level
2) Pass an RN diving medical
3) Pass a Divers Selection Test

To expand on the above a little. Despite certain rumours, there is no requirement to have been AWFP (or Seaman RES etc.) for 2 years before joining. We are just as keen to hear from people in New Entry.
The Divers Selection test does require quite a high fitness standard, but it's well within reach if you put the training in.

If you want to challenge yourself and be part of this close knit and highly motivated team then we would like to hear from you. The RNR website will be getting updated shortly with more info, but go to http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.13072 for the most recent article and contact details.

Any questions to this post I will answer as best I can.



So it would seem you can!!! I knew despite the strong coffee I wasn't losing the plot in the school the other day NS
 

Ninja_Stoker

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So it would seem you can!!! I knew despite the strong coffee I wasn't losing the plot in the school the other day NS

Not at all ^^

It's easy to see where the confusion lays & I'm trying not to cloud the issue, however my comments above are correct. The AFCO bungs 'em in the RNR, whilst the RNR may elect to send them on diver selection & stream the individual as an RNR Diver simultaneously (more on *potential pitfalls later).

RNR Diver from the AFCO perspective are simply a generic "RNR Rating", (same recruiting test score, personal qualities, medical criteria, bog standard PJFT, security clearance, nothing else - unless regular RN MCD).

RNR Diver from the RNR perspective are potential divers upon joining and very often the streaming may be instigated (diving medical, diving assessment) before the AFCO processing is complete.

RNR Diver from the individuals perspective
joins the RNR as a diver as one single, seamless transition, hence the comments above, however.... the reason it's done this way is if they fail diver selection or training for any reason, they are still in the RNR. If it were conducted any other way they would be a full-time civilian upon failing an element of the selection precess.

The only things worth pointing out are that whilst the RNR & DDS may wish to understandably advertise the branch, there are no careers publications nor recruiting instructions which are trade specific at AFCO level as it is technically a "sideways entry" branch (even if it happens simultaneously vby default).

*The other potential for pitfalls, such as the obvious confusion above, is that individuals can sometimes be unaware of their status due to the RNR's perhaps understandable eagerness to get cracking training the individual and notable highlights of Reserves "keenness" for me have included:

1. Someone forging a PJFT pass certificate

2. A person who attended the RNR unit for a year, undergoing training, only to fail the AFCO medical examination.

3. Personnel getting as far as SF selection without security clearance

4. Convicted criminals attending drill nights prior to screening

5. Individuals medically discharged from regular service allowed in "by the back door" only to later be rejected when being processed for entry

6. The "joy" of attending an RNR unit to carry out the basic eligibility checks & conduct initial recruiting test only to be met by a classroom of "testees" wearing their already issued full number 4 uniform, in the belief they had already joined - always a good one when it comes to rejection counselling and asking for their ID card back please. :-?
 

frogman007

War Hero
Tip top advice.

Before entering an AFCO and stating "I wish to join as a diver", unless you're a trained Navy Clearance Diver, you can't. No such beastie as a civilian direct entry diver in the RNR.

Yeah happy with that, but you did say you can't join as a diver "unless you're a trained Navy Clearance Diver" and because I have breathed so much N2/O2 / HeO2 over the years my brain is fried and I (and do) got confused. Then you come back with loads of clever sh!t and TLA's and I get more confused. All I am saying is you can join direct. Oh well-tomatoes/tomatoes ;-)
 
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