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RN to mobilise reservists to do exercise for 5 months...

flippineck

Lantern Swinger
itsamuppet said:
my boss has made it quite clear, unless its a war he's not prepared to let me go just to make up for the Navies lack of manpower. If I volunteer then I kiss goodye to my rights to have my job back. i know I won't get any support from the RN or the RNR so guess I won't be going.

Interesting, i thought that under the Reserve Forces Act that employers had to keep jobs open. Or has that act been repealed? Perhaps you should read the small print. The Goverment will take you if they want to.
 

flippineck

Lantern Swinger
itsamuppet said:
I can and have been arsed to support my full time bretheren, and not just swanning around well out of danger on a STUFT ship, but frontline.

My problem is that we are now being deployed, not in a time of war, but because we have a seriously overstretched armed forces.

And no I don't have to give 18 months notice, but I do have to do a 40-50 hour a week job then a full weekend with the RNR, lose 2 weeks leave to attend annual training and risk losing my job everytime the RN decide its cocked up on its manpower deployment, so lets get the RNR in.

I think the problem and gripes lie with the fact most of us accept that we are really needed in a time of war. Bosses are happy for people to go off and defend their countries wishes. They aren't happy when its just to go off to defend some ship in refit in Dubai.(lovely job if you get it)

The same goes for family and friends.

In the RN you have one job and managing that and family is hard enough, but to have two jobs (and the RNR is a job albeit part time) and do this is extremley difficult. Getting your family friends and Boss to accept that sometimes you need to be away from the job that pays the bills for up to 6 months every 3 years is getting ridiculous.

This is why people are leaving in droves, irrespective of what MasterChief and Senior Officers want you to believe, that and the fact that communication is shit.

The TA is the same, Brigadier Holmes was asked if he'd join again if he had his time again and he replied no. Says it all really.

Hopefully the results of the Commodores Questionaire will be available soon and all will be put right again.

Get a grip and get some nuts, The RN has been on active service as some like to call it from its birth. You don't sail for practice, you sail for real. An in case you hadn't realised there are forces facing all manner of threat in the NAG at the moment on OP TELIC version 100 - does that not count?
 
TF110 said:
Agree - its quite clear we will all disagree. I have no further interest in conducting a public willy waving match with wave dodger as I have far more interesting things to do with my life. Mods - any chance you can lock the thread as its now run its purpose?

Has it reall run it's purpose ? What was it's purpose?

It's a bit rich YOU asking for it to be pulled as you have been very instrumental in keeping the thread running for so long.

That said, it is getting very tedious.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
TF110 said:
Agree - its quite clear we will all disagree. I have no further interest in conducting a public willy waving match with wave dodger as I have far more interesting things to do with my life. Mods - any chance you can lock the thread as its now run its purpose?

Any chance you'll answer my last post before you leave? I'd love to know what rank/rate you were in that office where the Corporal was the highest paid!
 
I've not intention of locking this thread at the moment. I think it raised, initially, some interesting questions.

I may be a smart move to take it to PM now though guys!
 

TF110

Lantern Swinger
Wave - lets take this to PM. Happy to discuss privately but would prefer not to go into more overt details on an open forum. I'll send something over to you later today.
 

Old_Hand

Lantern Swinger
flippineck said:
itsamuppet said:
my boss has made it quite clear, unless its a war he's not prepared to let me go just to make up for the Navies lack of manpower. If I volunteer then I kiss goodye to my rights to have my job back. i know I won't get any support from the RN or the RNR so guess I won't be going.

Interesting, i thought that under the Reserve Forces Act that employers had to keep jobs open. Or has that act been repealed? Perhaps you should read the small print. The Goverment will take you if they want to.

I believe the employers only have to keep your job open for you if MOD mobilise you, not if you volunteer to go. Apparently a lot of people have found a way around it by telling MOD beforehand that if they were mobilsed you then they would be willing to go.
 
Often a misconception on several counts OH.

1) There is no such thing as a voluntary mobilisation. You may well be asked if it's a good time for you and if you're company will put up a fuss. Other than that it's ALL compulsary

2) They don't have to keep YOUR job open, they merely have to re-employ you. Sutble but has worked against some TA guys in the past.
 

PINCH

War Hero
TF110 said:
I don't dispute that elements of the RN work incredibly hard, but at the end of the day the majority of the RN has a very good quality of life when not at sea or on operations. .

Well come and join the band,
enjoy the time away from the Family,
enjoy the 17+ hour days at sea,
enjoy the 24 hour 7 day full on commitment,
enjoy the wake up calls at 0350.

And when you get into harbour:

Enjoy the fact that you are miles away from Home.
Enjoy the fact that you are required for duties.
Enjoy the that only in VERY FEW jobs do you get Friday afternoon off.
Enjoy the fact that you have to pay up front for getting home and then have to claim it back.
Enjoy the fact that you have to leave home Sunday lunch time to get back to the ship for 0800 Monday.

TF you really are a mark one TWIT, the grass is always greener on the other side. I do hope you are not employed in a position of trust.

YOU COULD HAVE JOINED AS A REGULAR.. But you didn't.... so live with it.

RNR has a role to play, and that role is determined by folk further up the food chain than you. If you don't like it return your kit, or do you just love dressing up as a naval guy :thumright: :thumright:
 

Bisley

War Hero
Reading all these lovely 'All Of One Team ' Post's, maybe it's time we just called it a day. Everyone put their kit on Ebay and make a few pennies have a farewell beer and go and get a new job cooking burgers in Mickey D's. Last one out hand the keys over to BAE/Serco and we will sleep safer in our beds. At least the floods will subside as all the dripping would have stopped.
 

brendan498

War Hero
my sentiments exactly Pinch theres THE RN,RFR,and RNR, i keep saying TF110 the RFR guys dont even after many years of loyal Service, make excuses i dont want to get into the Argument of full time sailiors vs Part time Sailiors as i apprieciate the RNR have a valuable contribution and do make a valuable contribution, but i personally feel that by the responses to your post would have at least got you thinking ah maybe i have an attitude problem, you are not living up to the superb contribution the RNR make to the Royal Navy, i for one would not like to rely on poeple with sentiments as your own,thats after my 35 days leave,make a mend at 12 on Friday and walking around the dock yard with a clip board,try a 6 months deployment its a bit of a different world, have you ever tried doing a police community warden job it might suit you a waste of time
 

trehorn2

Lantern Swinger
PINCH said:
TF110 said:
I don't dispute that elements of the RN work incredibly hard, but at the end of the day the majority of the RN has a very good quality of life when not at sea or on operations. .

Well come and join the band,
enjoy the time away from the Family,
enjoy the 17+ hour days at sea,
enjoy the 24 hour 7 day full on commitment,
enjoy the wake up calls at 0350.

And when you get into harbour:

Enjoy the fact that you are miles away from Home.
Enjoy the fact that you are required for duties.
Enjoy the that only in VERY FEW jobs do you get Friday afternoon off.
Enjoy the fact that you have to pay up front for getting home and then have to claim it back.
Enjoy the fact that you have to leave home Sunday lunch time to get back to the ship for 0800 Monday.

TF you really are a mark one TWIT, the grass is always greener on the other side. I do hope you are not employed in a position of trust.

YOU COULD HAVE JOINED AS A REGULAR.. But you didn't.... so live with it.

RNR has a role to play, and that role is determined by folk further up the food chain than you. If you don't like it return your kit, or do you just love dressing up as a naval guy :thumright: :thumright:

All the things you have listed above are things that you have accepted by joining and remaining in the RN.

I think the safest way to end this is to agree that while the two organisations work together they are very different.

You join the RN accepting the way of life, rules, regulations, time away etc ect etc.

We join the RNR accepting that we give up our spare time to train/deploy with the RNR/RN.

The RNR may dislike things about the RN such as not being able make contact with anyone after 12 of a friday. Likewise the RN may dislike the RNR's who roll up on board ship pretending they can do the job of their RN's counterparts when many (not all!!) of them clearly can't.

This thread has turned into a bitching session that is not helping anyone. Yes, i complain about things in the RNR but i still stay in it so what does that tell you. Just as people in the RN complain but many of them stay in. The RN don't fully understand the life of a reservist just as many reservists dont understand the life of a regular. Yes there are those who have the benefit of both sides of the argument, and for whatever reason they changed from one side to the other.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and as with everything, most peoples are completely different but lets leave the nastiness to one side and while its unlikely we will all be best of friends tomorrow the least we can do is tollerate each other and resect each others role in the defense of our country, be that on a part time or full time basis.

AMEN :love7:
 
I seem to be spending half my life re-reading the same regurgitated stuff on this. Tempted as I am to change my earlier post and lock this, instead I would politely ask anyone who doesn't have anything NEW to add to this to either take it to PM or wind their neck in.

Despite some recent intelligent posts it's about time to slow it down, I have no desire to lock threads on the grounds of dullness, but it's now 14 pages long and it's growing rapidly more tedious!
 
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