stupot1988 said:Although at SEMC you learn all about the technology etc, when you get your first posting you are more of a manager than an engineer.
Engineering is about more than just fiddling with boxes of eletrickery, in the engineering world the profession splits into Engineering Technicians, Incorporated Engineers and Chartered Engineers. EngTechs fiddle with kit, IEs supervise that and maintain adherence to standards, QA and the like where CEngs are responsible for either innovation and development of new bits of kit for Techs to look after, or coming up with new ways to use exoisting kit in interesting and amusing ways, which should have some business benefit.
It used to be that all graduate EOs were educationally qualified for Chartership, although that can't be awarded until one has a fair chunk of responsible experience.
The junior EO job at sea equates more with the Incorporated Engineer level, management of people, and resources in support of the command aim. Later EO jobs move into the realms of being a CEng, procurement, dstl or QinetiQ, concepts and doctrine etc. That said, the systems engineering aspects at sea are somewhat more challenging that management, one needs to understand the systems and how they work together, within the operating environment in order to adequately support the warfare team.
It's pretty narrow thinking to conceive that engineering per se is just about fiddling around in boxes, just as it's narrow to suggest that what EngTechs do is merely fiddling around in boxes; the skills required of each are different, but complementary. EOs frequently need to convert geekery into plain english, and equally need to convert the operational priorities into meaningful intentions for the engineering support.
The EOs don't do engineering line is frequently trotted out by those whose view of engineering is limited to actually delivering working kit on a day to day basis and have had no exposure to the process whereby the kit that they look after has got to the stage where it needs looked after on a day to day basis.
Of course one might ask, if EOs don't do engineering, why does the RN spend an awful lot of money training them as engineers?