RMR and Officers

Discussion in 'RMR' started by rocky218, Sep 4, 2011.

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  1. Gents

    I am currently looking at joining the RMR, I have paid visits to my AFCO and my local det however I am still very very green, so apologies if this is a bone question.

    I know that Officers in the forces move around a lot, however, how does this work in the RMR when you are tied to a location? Obviously a Lieutenant in a Scottish det is not going to want to head down to London twice a week.

    Also how do they stand with regards deployment, obviously people join the RMR with the expectation that they shall deploy at some point. As an outsider it is easy to see how a RMR Marine could slot into a RM troop, but how would an Officer be able to deploy with a RM troop? who would already have their own Officer.

    Thank you in advance.

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  2. Rocky, welcome to RR.

    Health warning - I left the RMR a few years ago and there may well have been some changes since.

    You would serve within the RMR Unit in whatever appointment you receive from the CO of that unit. There are some SQs / roles within the RMR that are allocated across more than one RMR Unit so you may end up as troop commander of a troop comprised of lads from a number of RMR Units who will come together on weekends or for continuous training.

    There are also appointments within individual units for recruit troop commanders, detachments OCs or in some cases SQ / role command appointments where the role is allocated to a single RMR unit or Det.

    A point to note is that RMR officers receive considerably less training than their regular counterparts. The work around for this was always to work hard and ensure you get the most of the officer training you do undertake and then take every opportunity to develop knowledge and skills in the appointment you are given. Flexibility and commitment are key to this as invariably the PSI and RMR SNCOs you will work with will have the contacts and overview to point you in the right direction towards opportunities to develop your experience. It goes without saying that an operational tour in the right appointment for your experience and skills is what you should aspire to.

    With regards to commanding regular troops in fighting companies this has been done intermittently by RMR officers and may still be the case, but there have always been fewer 1st appointments as troop commanders in Cdo units than there are regular officers passing out of Lympstone so it is very unlikely there would be a requirement to mobilise an RMR officer for these roles. Most RMR officers deploy as watchkeepers, liaison officers or in specialist roles such as CIMIC or Media Ops.

    Like I said things may have changed, Moose might be along in a bit to set us both right...

    Good luck
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  3. Thank you labrum.

    Informative reply. I went down to my AFCO today to get the ball rolling in earnest.

    1 last question (honest), I understand about the correct techniques for the testing. And ran myself through them at the gym the other day. I have a couple of months to really smash the phys out so expect my score to go up, but at current I failed(arms gave in) at 48 press ups, in one min.I then sat up for a couple of seconds and then finished the last 12 shaking like a shitting dog.

    Obviously during the test the last 12 won't count, but if you collapse are you allowed to get back on it and push through? Or do they stop you when you cave in?

    I have looked for the answer, appologies if I missed something obvious.
  4. RMR Officers are commissioned from the ranks, so your first goal should be to make it into RMR training, then to complete your commando course before looking too far ahead.

    Also there has been recent moves to only commission ranks once they have passed a Junior command course, though this might not be the case with every unit.

    You will likely occupy a role within your unit (RMR Scotland, RMR London etc). Probably as a Detachment OC, though it is possible you will be moved around to a different Detachment depending on manning and unit priorities.

    As far as getting deployed as an officer, it is VERY unlikely you would ever command a fighting troop because as previously mentioned these jobs are very sought after among regular officers.

    In terms of your phys tests, the RMFA exercises are all done to a beep. Once you fail to stay with the beep you will be stopped by the PTI. If at any point your knees touch the ground you will be stopped. If your tecnique begins to deteriorate you may also be stopped or at least have a deduction from your total for that exercise.

    Hope this helps.

    Which unit is it you're planning on joining?

  5. As SK rightly says the rule is 'commission from the ranks'. There are exceptions to this (TA or ex Army officers have been fast tracked through to Ph1B) but this rarely sees the individual pass out (only seen it twice in my 18 years).

    100% agree with SK on the one step at a time approach but certainly at both RMR units I was in a proportion of potential recruits expressed their interest in taking a commission; quiet confidence in your potential was viewed more positively than proclaiming your the next CGRM in waiting. Where clear leadership potential was identified the recruit was given the opportunity to take on responsibility within the recruit troop through training.

    The idea of insisting JCC prior to applying for commission is an interesting development if this it is RMR wide; it's been periodically floated since the mid 1980s!

    The steps beyond completing training are (or were?); Request chit, Unit Board, POC, AIB, Commissioning Course, PCBC. Time served prior to putting your chit in was encouraged but, again, I can think of some exceptions who applied within a year of completing training and did well.

    These days I would guess that most COs would be looking for you to get an operational tour in prior to applying - I wouldn't be surprised if polciy had changed to reflect this. I suspect Moose who normally fields such queries is busy elsewhere; he would be able to give you chapter and verse.
  6. I would suggest that if you want to be a Rifle Troop Commander in HERRICK/where-ever, doing it via the RMR is not going to happen. As has been pointed out above, there aren't enough space for the regular Commissioning Course, let alone slotting in the odd RMR bod. Whilst Purple Twiglet might disagree with me, I think there is very little utility in Reservist Officers, unless they are given a truly 'meaty' role. Unfortunately, those roles are few and far between, and the result is a group of Officers who have all the 'nause' issues to deal with, and very little of the 'fun' stuff that makes life as an Officer worthwhile.

    If it is a question about being a green lidded Officer, then are you near the RA/RE Army units that support 3 Cdo Bde - they could probably offer you a better structure in terms of wider employment.
  7. Whilst the underlying issue behind your arguement ATG (initial training and subsequent structured opportunities to develop the required skill set), I can only disagree wihth reagrds to the point about utility. Every decent RMR officer will seek to work around the restrictions and ehance his employability; I could count on my fingers and toes those I know personally who have deployed, had good tours and been thanked for their effective contribution.

    There are a number of decent roles which offer value to the Corps; FAC (is this still an RMR role!?), CIMIC, Liaison Officer, Media Ops, Psyops, watchkeeping amongst others.

    With the exception of FAC none are going to sell many books when the encumbant pens his memoires but they are regarded as useful. There is little point in iwhsing for the land of milk, honey and rifle troop / company commander when the reality, as all posters have highlighted, is that the Corps has fewer gucci appointments than officers requiring the experience those roles offer in order to secure advancement.

    The issue has and always will be formal training. The RMR is a small organisation with a correspondingly low number of officers (unlike the RNR...). As there are an even smaller number at any given rank / seniority, collective training is never cost effective and often not viable (I was one of 4 on my Commissioning Course!). Moral of the story take up the baton with your eyes wide open and be prepared to be proactive in making a flawed system work in order to make a vaild contribution.
  8. Labrum, indeed, but it depends on what Rocky wants to achieve from being an RMR Officer: Rifle Troop Command is out, as is FAC (I'm pretty sure the introduction of FSTs and Sgt FACs, along with the ML Cadre trying to stay alive), the 'gucci' jobs; the others listed bring lots to the wider fight, but I would have some questions as to why someone would work so hard to get that lid and then never use it anger.

    If I were to join the RMR, I would look at applying myself and getting into an interesting SQ - the real core of the Corps.

    Either way, we have a duty to ensure he gets into eyes open, and not expecting to be leading the charge on H27 as a Troop Boss!
  9. My bold, absolutely agree but depending on age there is no reason why you can't do both. Plenty have spent a good few years training for and deploying to do those jobs lads join the RMR to do then take a commission and make that wider contribution both to your unit (pay back - somebody did this for you!) and in training for and deploying in those 'non-gucci' roles listed previously.
  10. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    "Whilst Purple Twiglet might disagree with me, I think there is very little utility in Reservist Officers, unless they are given a truly 'meaty' role. "

    Actually I fully agree with you on this. I act as recruiter for an RNR unit and always tell people that unless they really want to have nause from the word go, join as a rating as you'll have more fun, be far more employable and are more likely to do a meaningful job. The role of the reserve officer is to produce staffwork as SO2 paperclips for the most part, and unless you have deeply specialist skills (often gained from time in the ranks, or prior regular service) then its not worth doing. I look at where my unit (a specialist one) is sending people and the JRs get by far the best deployments going.

    For what its worth I don't think Reserve officers should be promoted beyond SO2 as its too dangerous...
  11. Actually, you do need to promote them, but a) they need to have a real understanding of both sides of the fence, b) they need to match up to the top third of the regulars, and c) they need to have completed the full suite of staff training*. Of course, we'll do no such thing, so your senior Officers will continue to have rings run around them by regulars, whilst they look out of touch to their RNR 'base'.

    *At a minimum, fulltime ACSC and probably compete for a 'good' job immediately thereafter. On those 2 grounds alone, it'll never happen, as we can't afford it/don't want to afford it.
  12. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    "*At a minimum, fulltime ACSC and probably compete for a 'good' job immediately thereafter. On those 2 grounds alone, it'll never happen, as we can't afford it/don't want to afford it. "

    And also because any officer eligible to do ACSC has probably got enough real world commitments that they cant easily drop them for the 3yrs needed to do the course plus a good staff job without doing permanent harm to their real career. I'm hoping to do the course in 2-3yrs with work, but doubt the RNR would put 2&2 together for that!
  13. Fancy ruining a perfectly good thread by chewing the fat about the RNR..!
  14. Hi Rocky
    sorry for the delay in response to this thread and your question .
    here is the current situation with respect to RMR officer selection / training / deployment

    1. Selection / Training , as far as i am aware there is no direct officer entry into training ( unless you are transfering from TA / ex Regular Army) then you will start training as a 2/LT under training. The RMR now selects its officers from its pool of trained ranks and to have a fair chance of passing through the selection process you will need to have completed an operational tour .

    2. Deployment - opportunites for officers do exist - FAC is no longer an option as that has now developed into another field. There are some "crunchy" jobs out there but certainly not for discussion on this forum. If you are looking for some combat experience then my advice is to take it as a trained rank on deployment with a Unit - much more benefit and enjoyable !

    3. You need not be tied to a location and transfer between units is a common practice

    and finally the thread has been slightly hijacked re staff courses and SO2 deployments - a bit rich i think coming from the dark blue side !
    i was at this point going to insert several anecdotes but have re read my post and deleted them to save blushes
    but willing to discuss further and cast the gauntlet down on the topics of ACSC / SO2, SO1 Deployments - please bear in mind opsec if posting

    harder yet !
  15. Gents.

    I'm very grateful for the responses even if I must admit you lost me by the 6th post.

    Just to set the record straight, I wouldn't dare march in here saying "I want to be a rifle troop commander", I just used it as an example to explain my question.

    I have further spoken to my AFCO and my det. The general consensus agrees with what has been said above- get a tour under my belt before I think about any thing further.

    I now understand about being recruited from the ranks, my confusion came as I was applying alongside an ex army reg who was going straight in as Moose said.

    So I think the plan is just to keep smashing the phys, keep my head down, try to get my green lid. Then if the chance comes, I shall think about it, if not, I shall go where the corps wants me.

    I appreciate it's dangerous trying to enter a discussion about the rnr when you have as little experience as me... But it's my thread, so I shall do so if I wish. Surely if a person is competent enough to reach a high officer role, they would have a highly employable skill set. So in fact be too busy chasing their millions in the private sector, to put in enough commitment to the rnr? Why not let ex regs fill the role? I see most of the rmr lt colonels are exregs.

    That's me finished trying to play with the big boys, you can have the thread back.

    Thank you again for your help
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  16. Rocky
    good luck in your application and keep us posted on your progress.

    i hope you achieve what you aspire to - be reminded that you do not need be an officer to be a leader and there are many SNCOs & JNCOs of the highest calibre in the RMR
    So one step at a time and most importantly - enjoy it and have some fun as well !
  17. Crack on and spin a few, not heard your latest...
  18. Hmmmm

    ill give it some thought - or maybe just start off another thread entiled

    " Throbbers from the RNR who i have met on ops " its a big job !!
  19. well , for starters did you hear the one about the LT CDR ( RNR ) who had an ND whilst unloading ( At night ) , unfortunatley for him he was inbetween two RM SNCOs when this happened , yet despite this and despite an integrity shout being made failed to own up

    that same officer was recently seen holding court and spinning war dits at the bar at an RNR Establishment !

    i think you get the hang of it

    theres more , theres more
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  20. Excellent opener; feel free to share another - it's good to share...

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